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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K. (Post 1835385)

I agree with Babypink. Though I am a die hard Pats fan I now have an extra special place in my heart for the Eagles. Vick was the financial backer of a dog fighting ring. He was wrong for what he participated in. He served more than his share of time in prison and has paid his debt. I think far too many people place more value on the lives of animals than they should. Stallworth got 24 days for killing a person and 1 year suspension. Vick's life should not be ruined for a bad decision. Not every person looks at dogs as pets. In many places they're nothing more than another animal and in others they're food. PETA is a very backward organization in many ways. Until PETA figures out that animals are not equal to people I will happily remain a member of PETOP. People for the ethical treatment of other people.
It should also be noted that if Vick's last name was Rothelsberger (sp?) we wouldn't be having this discussion

Are you serious? How come everything has to turn into a race war when a minority commits a crime or does something wrong? I don't care what color Vick is...what he did was horrendous! I can tell you that if Vick was Puerto Rican, I would not be rallying for him because "the man" has got him down. I hate how people pull the race card when it seems convenient. I'll go back to the Dr. Henry Gates discussion. Had he come outside and simply given the Officer his ID card-we wouldn't be discussing "race relations" on GC.

In my personal opinion, sometimes white MALES get the short end of the stick. We are quick to judge and say that white men get everything but, last time I checked they didn't get any special considerations on college admissions applications the way that I do, as a female and a minority. The race card can be a double edged sword. Let's stop making everything about the color of a person's skin. Until we are willing to do that, racial relations will never get better.

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1835627)

In my personal opinion, sometimes white MALES get the short end of the stick.

I can go either way with the Gates and Vick situations, but this statement is laughable.

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1835627)

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Are you serious? How come everything has to turn into a race war when a minority commits a crime or does something wrong? I don't care what color Vick is...what he did was horrendous! I can tell you that if Vick was Puerto Rican, I would not be rallying for him because "the man" has got him down. I hate how people pull the race card when it seems convenient. I'll go back to the Dr. Henry Gates discussion. Had he come outside and simply given the Officer his ID card-we wouldn't be discussing "race relations" on GC.

In my personal opinion, sometimes white MALES get the short end of the stick. We are quick to judge and say that white men get everything but, last time I checked they didn't get any special considerations on college admissions applications the way that I do, as a female and a minority. The race card can be a double edged sword. Let's stop making everything about the color of a person's skin. Until we are willing to do that, racial relations will never get better.

Cosign.

Something tells me white men will be okay.

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1835314)

Well, I am eating my words now, because the Philadelphia Eagles just signed Michael Vick today. As you can imagine, there are a lotta people who aren't happy about it, especially Eagles fans. I sure wouldn't want to work in the team's PR office.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...88_vick14.html

"When news of Vick's signing circulated in the press box during the first half of the Eagles' preseason opener against New England, even the team's public relations staff seemed surprised.

The stadium was buzzing by halftime as word spread. Fans standing on the concourse were in disbelief. One guy wondered how quickly he'd be able to buy a Vick jersey. Another asked if this was a joke."

I do stick by my original statement that I think this is a bad idea for the team that signed him. Who wants to cheer for this guy? It's hard to feel pride in an organization that brings in someone like this.

Who wants to cheer for him? The same people that feels that he has served his time and that he should be allowed to move on.

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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K. (Post 1835503)

Last time I checked this was a message board not a card game so there is no race card to be played. My opinion remains that if Michael Vick were white his sentence would have been less stern.

He actually got a pretty good deal. The federal government was ready to press racketeering charges against him. If they convicted him, which I believe they would have been able to, he would have gotten a $250,000 fine and or 20 years in prison.

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1835643)

If anyone wants to talk about a slap on the wrist needs to have a convo with Dante Stallworth

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1835644)

If anyone wants to talk about a slap on the wrist needs to have a convo with Dante Stallworth

Agreed honestly. I'm just saying that compared to what could have happened to Vick, he got off easy. And as for Stallworth, WTF? 30 days for killing a man? That is hot steaming BS.

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1835638)

Something tells me white men will be okay.

I know, right? :eek:

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1835622)

No, dipshit, that is not what I said.

I said at some point, women chose to be in the company of their attacker - unless they were mugged on the street/raped at gunpoint. None of which we are talking about here. I did not say they chose to be raped or get AIDS or whatever or were "asking for it" or are responsible.

These animals never, ever chose to be in the company of Michael Vick or any of his equally sick asshole friends. This isn't Animal Farm where the animals can revolt, although it would have been the bomb diggity if it were.

Why do people freak out more over the rape of a baby than the rape of a grown woman? I mean, I'm sure that baby will forget all about it by the time it grows up. Babies don't know any better. (This is called SARCASM by the way.)

Clearly you missed the point. The woman is not more responsible (than the dog) because she may have chosen to spend time around her attacker. What is the point in saying that a woman consented to being around her attacker before being attacked? It is irrelevant. If the dogs chose to be around Vick or the others would that make what they (Vick & Friends) did any less criminal or vicious? No. Clearly you missed the SARCASM in my comment about the dogs leaving. Yeah, dipsh*t, funny.

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1835627)

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Are you serious? How come everything has to turn into a race war when a minority commits a crime or does something wrong?
This isnt a race war. I dont understand why it is so scary for some people for race to be mentioned. My claim isnt that he was found guilty because he's black. He's guilty and was found such. I did say that his being black influenced how he was sentenced. In his sentencing the judge did not feel he was remorseful enough. Trying to guess whether or not a person is sorry enough is dificult to do. The person's public image will play a role in how he's viewed by others. The fact that he's black and a celebrity (who was portrayed as a hip-hop thug) IMO influenced his sentencing. Is that so farfetched? If Vick were a clean cut "wholesome" looking young white man he would seem more believeable to many people. Including those in the media, the court room, and the general public.

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1835643)

If he had been brought up on those charges and gotten 18 months then that would have been a very good deal. But on the funding the dog fighting I think he could have gotten less time.

Talk about ironic

PETA Killed 95 Percent of Adoptable Pets in its Care During 2008

Hypocritical Animal Rights Group’s 2008 Disclosures Bring Pet Death Toll To 21,339
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/press...fm/release/258

And in VA no less. Shame.

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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K. (Post 1835716)

If he had been brought up on those charges and gotten 18 months then that would have been a very good deal. But on the funding the dog fighting I think he could have gotten less time.

He was facing 10 years and got 3. That seems to be a pretty sweet deal to me.

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1835634)

I can go either way with the Gates and Vick situations, but this statement is laughable.

I stand by what I said. I'm just sick of people making things into color wars. Let's use the "Walmart Beatdown" thing that happened not too far from where I am staying. As soon as the "white" Police Officer took down the "black" old woman-with a knife, you could hear people in the background saying something about this being a race thing. Really? Sure, I think the officer may have been a little too rough but, I believe that had the old woman been "white" the same thing would have happened. Now, reverse the situation. If it was a black cop and a white old woman with a knife-no one would yell "racism" half as loud.

I hate to say this but, I feel as though I need to write a disclaimer about being a minority everytime I have an opinion about racial relations. It seems as though everytime a white person expresses an opinion about race, he or she becomes a racist.

I have to admit, I do like these discussions on GC because I get to see the views of all my fellow Greeks on here. Even if you don't agree with my point of view, I accept that.

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1835733)

He was facing 10 years and got 3. That seems to be a pretty sweet deal to me.

Agreed...

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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K. (Post 1835716)

Clearly you missed the point. The woman is not more responsible (than the dog) because she may have chosen to spend time around her attacker.

Clearly YOU missed the point. As I said, it is comparing apples and oranges. (If you don't know what that means, check wikipedia) You and BP were the ones who brought up "well Joe Limpdick only got 3 days in jail for raping 3 women." What Joe Limpdick got has nothing to do with Michael Vick.