on the other hand, maybe "aprocess" was so awesome as a PNM to Marissa that they were going to give her a bid regardless of she expressing that Serena was the house for her. and if that's the case, then i'd hope that they'd at least check up on her (because i think if "aprocess" had accepted another bid, Marissa wouldve known in the coming days/weeks, right?) i guess this crosses the line of mutual selection, because, IMO, Marissa giving "aprocess" a bid knowing that she wouldnt accept it is the equivalent of a PNM putting XYZ down on her bid card knowing she wouldnt accept a bid from them.

OR perhaps the girls at Marissa talked to Serena and it backfired. I still think it was a waste of time for a house to give a bid if a PNM clearly says she wants to be somewhere else. Doesn't that make that house look pushy or even desperate?

I thought she made the comment (about wanting to be a Serena) at Prefs? If so, it isn't as if Marissa necessarily "gave her a bid." They could have put her dead last on their list. If she was at a pref party, she has to be on the list somewhere. I think aprocess said they weren't a strong chapter (and Serena was), so it is foreseeable that Marissa could get down to the bottom of their list before hitting quota - even if they no longer wanted her.

I just want to get to the rest of the story!

I went almost two days with out checking! Next update tonight? Maybe? Please!

Exactly.

Which is part of why what she said was so inappropriate and rude.

I really think that any self-respecting chapter WOULDN'T call a PNM who refused a bid after what she said at pref night. Even if they really, really, really, really wanted her before.

but umm... what self-respecting chapter gives a bid to a girl after she says something like that at pref night? she shouldn't have been on their list at all if that's the case.

its like a guy asking a girl out, she says no, and then the guy goes off about how he never wanted to date her anyway. WTF, just because you didnt get what you wanted out of the deal?

You're not in an NPC are you? No biggie but that could be the cause of your misunderstanding.

Marissa's hands were tied. NPC regulations state that if a woman is invited back to preference night, she MUST appear somewhere on that chapter's bid list. Even if it is dead last.

AFAIK there is NO way to get out of this situation. Unless maybe a PNM murdered someone in the house on preference night or something. Which clearly didn't happen. LOL.

I am in NPHC, so yes, I'm sure I'm misunderstanding the situation from an NPC rules/rush standpoint.

Thanks for the explanation. So pref night, more or less, is like a 99.99% yes from the actives side, but still elusive from the PNM side. Its like your bid list before pref night would be a list of PNMs to vote yes on, and then after pref night, it's a matter of reordering the deck from "absolutely positively YES" to "meh, she's OK, well welcome Polly PNM if she shows up."

This is my interpretation as an outsider, and i understand if i've asked too much.

^^^ sort of.

Remember that NPC uses the quota system. It is a little misleading that it is called a "bid list" because not everyone on the list will necessarily get a bid from that chapter.

Let's say 100 PNMs attend a pref. They are then ranked 1-100. How this comes to be is private, but suffice it to say that there is an order. If panhellenic sets quota at 40, then if the top 40 people on the list all rank the chapter first, then only those 40 will get bids. This very rarely happens. Most chapters go further down their list, but typically not all the way to the bottom.

Therefore, if a PNM is ranked last, the odds are very slim that she will get a bid. The only way that she would get a bid is if (in the example above) 39 or fewer PNMs have matched with that chapter and it went all the way down the list.

This is why chapters must be very careful about who they invite to prefs. In the OP case, she did not make her very rude comment until pref... so the chapter probably got blindsided. As BG said, their hands were tied. Who knows where she fell on their list, but I would suspect that they would try to make it as low as possible.

Does that help?

aprocess you are killing me!! I can't wait to read the end of your story!!

Yes, that makes lots of sense! Thanks for that breakdown, even if it has been explained on here before. It's quite logical how it matches up. Is it explained that way to PNMs?

It depends on the campus, but in most cases, yes, and in the cases where it's not, it should be! That's why PNMs are bound to whatever chapter they're bid by if that chapter is on their preference card - they are, in effect, pre-signing their bid.

ah - now i get it when you guys say "dont rank a house you absolutely wouldnt take a bid from." because if you put it down, even as absolute last, its almost as if you put it at the top. i surely hope its explained as simply as this, because it makes perfect sense. i know its a long week and the PNMs are young so it may go over their head, but i dont think it gets any simpler.

then i guess it gets sticky in the whole "being affiliated no matter what vs. not going greek at all" mess.

now tell me this. when a PNM is superawesome and would be a great addition to any house, i'd think shed be ranked on many houses' lists. I imagine this is how a PNM would get their least favorite house--the "top" houses would max out (ie. more PNMs ranked them #1 than quota allows) and each house after that would be maxed out until the PNM got to a house that had a spot. now whether she wants to be there (or the house wants her there) doesn't matter because this is how the matching works. so girls shouldnt take it personal that they got a bid to ABC house, one that the PNM didnt care too much for.

(im rambling and keeping the thread moving until we get an update)

Let's say quota is 40 and PNMs may attend a max of 3 pref parties. If super-awesome PNM is so super-awesome that all 3 chapters rank her in their top 40, she gets a bid to the chapter that SHE ranked #1. In this scenario she could not match to 2 or 3.

She would only match to chapter 2 or 3 if she was not in the top 40 of #1 AND #1 matched 40 before getting to her name on the list.

OR

if all 3 chapters reached 40 before getting to her name and she was placed in #1 as a quota addition.

Right, and only the 3 (or at some schools, 2) chapters that she attends for preference night will place this PNM on their lists at all. If she regretted/did not attend a group, they will not put her on their list.

She could, however, still possibly get a snap bid from a group whose preference she did not attend - but only if she was not matched at any of the houses that she attended at preference and ranked on her list.

All these posts made me think she had updated!

the facebook message
 

.... the facebook message was frommmmmm












Jessie from Serena. What did it say????








:)

You are SO killing us here!

I think you are trying to kill us.
You are a mean mean person!:p

i think this may have a very happy ending..:)


i'm crossing my fingers it does..

I got out of bed for this?


That was so mean.

Okay, aprocess...this has gone on far too long! Finish it already!!!!!!!

seriously, you're killing me!!

Sorry to anyone checking in because I've bumped the thread. I have a question that I really should know the answer to, but I don't.

If she signed her card after preference then isn't the bid she got from Marissa binding for a year? I've come across some threads lately that state that someone had until the end of the day or something to decide whether or not to accept their bid.

I've never heard of this before. Isn't that the whole point of signing your card right after Pref? You're pre-accepting.

So, unless there was a computer error, wouldn't aprocess be bound to Marissa?

Sorry for the confusion...it's been too many decades since I went through Rush.

By signing a preference card, you pre-accept the fact that you will be bound to the chapter where you match for a year. Particularly at campuses where Rho Gammas "force" PNMs to rank all of their preference chapters and don't make this fact clear, a chapter may match quota, but far fewer could actually show up at bid day. This happens all the time to my friend's chapter at another school. Again, regardless of whether those PNMs "accepted" or not, they are bound for a year.

It sucks for the chapters too, because they think they have more NMs than they really do. Some College Panhellenics think that forcing PNMs to rank all of their choices no matter what helps a Greek system, but it doesn't do the chapters or PNMs any favors. If you wouldn't accept a bid from a chapter, don't rank it.

Thanks for the clarification, Jess.

Weeellll, the other side of the coin is that if their HQ is on their tail about low numbers/not being at total, these girls can be included. They are considered "holdovers." Or that's how it used to work in dinosaur days, anyway.

"Seriously, wher is the chase and can we cut to it?--seriously....

where...

This thread went from being great to sucking.

yea, this is just about the longest recruitment story ever. It's been going on for a week and a half, and uh.. we want to know the end of it!

How 'bout y'all stop egging her on with the bumping of the thread. Move on...the OP obviously has.

(yes, I realize the irony of me bumping the thread to post this, but all of the 'PLEEEEZE FINISH YOUR STORY, YOU'RE KILLING ME!' posts were driving me nuts).

the facebook message
 

Jessie wrote me:

"hey!!!! omg, i was so sad to not see your name on the bid list!!!! oh well, we can still be friends! Dinner?"

I wrote her back and said

"YES!!! defin. thursday"

I remember getting ready for dinner. it was so wierd. I felt like i was either going on a date or going through recruitment again (though I knew recruitment was over). She lived in the house, so I drove down and went to pick her up.

I was thinking of topics to talk to her about JUST like recruitment. I really did want her as a friend and maybe, just maybe, i could go through next year (after my year was up) and i could know more girls through Jessie. Maybe Jessie would even tell me what happened this year. I was still utterly confused.

So I got to the door and knocked.....

Answer
 

Trust me, i have NOT moved on!!!! Its just a long story (i.e. my user name is aprocess!!!!)

I know that this is long an full of suspense, but how did you think i felt at that point? my nerves were DEFINITELY all over the place.

:(Oh please finish your story -- this is torture!!

I think we are getting punked.

We've all been through some sort of process - formal recruitment, cob...we know that its long, emotional and political for some. Can you finish your story up in the next post please?

Great story so far, I love how people are getting worked up about how long this is taking....good things come to those who wait lol

I just read (most of) this tonight, and I have to say aprocess is a good storyteller. I am into this story.

...BUT! I'm starting to feel like I'm watching Friday the 13th XXI. The story started off well and seemed unique because it's so different and ...honest. Now, I'm getting all these filler sequels that leave you disappointed. Seriously, we're reaching a point where good storytelling with lessons learned and emotional twists starts to nosedive in the name of suspense and dragging it out. Unnecessary.

Seriously (and politely), please finish the story in 2 - 3 more segments. Please?

This thread went from being excellent to really lame.