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There might be official handsigns in some of the NPC groups, but how they are used currently may not be in line with why they were created. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but NPHC handsigns are for public usage, while most (many?) NPC recognition signs are only for private use between members. The more recent NPC "handsigns" aren't official, are they? I'm thinking of ADII diamonds, Tri Delt Deltas, etc.
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The Alpha hand sign is for public usage but is unofficial. There is even debate to what it means, if anything, and if what it means came with the sign or if it was ascribed later. We have other things that happen in private that might be comparable to the NPC recognition signs. I believe only one NPHC org has an official hand sign for use in public which has a private meaning. |
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Yeah calls, handsigns, and some other NPHC traditions are unofficial for most (?) of the NPHC orgs. |
True story: I like our "other" hand sign better, which looks like the Zeta sign.
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Again, I am not concerned with rather so-and-so's handsign has a secret meaning or if it's official or anything of the sort. But when you have non-NPHC groups proudly showing their handsigns on threads like these, then there is no real reason to think that handsigns are simply a trivial and haphazard action just because they do not hold the same meanings that the NPHC handsigns do. |
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If you've read the pertinent pages of this thread already, you need not rehash these topics. If you haven't read the pertinent pages of this thread already, you should do so. |
HOW DARE YOU CREATE A PORTAL FROM OUR UNIVERSE TO HAPPY PONY RAINBOW LAND!!!!!!
This is worse than Time Bandits! |
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versus, within NPHC, only 9 orgs' signs to recognize/remember. no thread is needed for that - chances are fellow NPHC members will recognize each other's signs in the street, or on other campuses, etc. and similarily, the LGLOs/MCGLOs probably recognize each other's handsigns because there share a bond as a unified body. |
I'm about to start a thread asking NPHCers what their signs and calls are.
I look forward to *crickets* and that thread sinking to the bottom. Only to be dug up by some bored soul in a few years. |
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I made a post and there was an issue with what I posted. I'm referring to my original post and nothing else. Read threads? Um no...again, it's not that serious. :rolleyes: |
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The original poster of the thread has yet to come forward and say "oh that's enough; I have all the information I need" and the thread is still open. If the moderator wishes to delete my post for reiteration than be it. But since neither one of those things have happened (as of right now), I think you're getting way too worked up over nada. |
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- YES, people WILL compare your newer orgs with the older ones, especially when most, if not all, your traditions are "borrowed" from the NPHC. - And no, the IFC doesn't have "line names." They're called nicknames or pledge names, depending on what region you're from. And they have been around for a while now, not the past few years or the past decade. - How exactly are you all doing "your own thing" if, as far as customs and traditions go, you're not bringing anything new to the table? |
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1) It has been evidenced in previous threads that your general MCGLO and LGLO knowledge are limited to your campus (which btw based on what you have posted previously does not reflect said organizations nationally) 2) to equate the traditions that you see (or choose to see) as being the only traditions that said organizations have is a very limited scope. I suggest you take the time to learn more about non-NIC organizations before you start making blanket statements like those above. |
He is right about the fact that NIC groups and NPC groups have pledge class names and nicknames. They are not "line names" as those groups don't have "lines."
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^^^Ehhhh....... if you have line-ups, you have a pledge line, even if you don't call it that or order them by height.
If you sat in a circle, made crafts, and got gifts for four weeks, then yeah, you didn't have a line. (No shade, seriously) |
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As far as the traditions that EVERYONE sees, they are not new. I'm not referring to the purpose, mission, niche, etc of your organizations. I'm talking about what you see EXTERNALLY such as hand signs, calls, stepping, lines, line names, having "aces, deuces, tails" etc, probate/coming out shows, underground pledging, etc. None of that is new or was introduced into Greekdom by Multicultural/Latin/Asian/Southeast-Asian/etc GLOs. That is all I meant. Do you disagree? Additionally, when did I ever say that those traditions were the ONLY ones that your orgs have? Never. And my questions were being asked to the poster that I quoted, but if you all have anything to interject with then by all means do so. |
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Here's a little secret: Long ago in a far away land, there were non-NPHC fraternities and sororities (including IFC fraternities) that wanted to "cross-pledge" with NPHC sororities and fraternities. Everywhere this has occurred, who knows, but one account states that the NPHCers who arrived found the IFC fraternity, for example, to be doing some similar things that the NPHCers do. Not the same but similar...one's imagination should kick in here. So...aside from traditions that are allowed "above ground," it is difficult to say what people are doing behind closed doors (which has been said in this thread, too) unless people are talking too darn much. And that happens sometimes, of course. |
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As I've said in other places around GC (but I of course am not so puffed up that I expect people to remember), I am a brother of Alpha Phi Omega as well as Alpha Phi Alpha. I pledged APO first, and much to my surprise, I was lined up according to height and pledged on a pledge line. I earned a "nickname" but I would later learn that there was no distinguishable difference between a nickname and a line name. (I pledged Alpha four years after APO.) I neither pledged at an HBCU nor to a chapter which at any point in its history was influenced by BGLOs, in case you were wondering. I also pledged at a school which, at that time, had no NIC or similar fraternities. When I attended grad school, I saw that the gentlemen in the NIC fraternities also had nicknames. As I got older, I saw that men in NIC fraternities were pledged in ways similar to my APO and Alpha experiences. I peeked at DSTCHAOS' post and can cosign it -- everybody does things differently and we might not know unless we're there. Sometimes these things have different names, but are essentially the same things. Sometimes these things are VASTLY different but have the same name. Even though each NPHC org has MIP, some people's MIP still includes lining up and being pledged. Others don't. The name has changed (pledging) but some traditions endure. I guess what I am wondering is what NIC or NPC people feel is the fundamental difference between a line and a pledge class? |
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