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DSTCHAOS 01-31-2008 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nate2512 (Post 1591569)
The thing is, which is why I originally said that I think discriminatory laws in GLOs are pointless is because a black person may not fit in with my organization, thats not saying we would not take a black person, because it could happen, but very few rush here so thats doubtful, but if he does not fit in he gets cut. So he files a lawsuit against my chapter saying we racially discriminated against him. He has no case, because we tell the truth that he was released not for his race, but for the simple fact that we do not feel he fits in with our organizations and what we embody. We probably cut a vast exponentially larger number of white people to for the same thing. I know a white person on our campus that inquired about membership to a traditionally black organization and they told him they would not take him. Him and his black friend that he wanted to pledge with then inquired about our organizations, and we welcomed them both to rush us and discussed it and decided that we would bid them both but with their athletic schedule they decided not to.
Moral of the story, I am not a racist person, neither are any of the brothers in my chapter. And I am standing by my claim that discrimination laws in GLOs are pointless.

And now I stand by for someone to ridicule some part of post because its sure to happen.
So the Obama supporter discussion was a perfect transition for you to discuss how you feel about race? :confused: That's what I told you the first time around. Did I miss where race (and BGLOs) was the topic of discussion before you started discussing Obama supporters?

srmom 01-31-2008 01:06 PM
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MEANING, blacks and whites from similar socioeconomic backgrounds remain segregated from one another versus being more integrated based on social class and similar experiences. And that's the reality.
That is not true in all cases. Maybe in a generalized sense, but in specific cases, I think things are becoming much more racially integrated, and the segregation is based on cultural differences not race.

Case in point: at my son's high school, the kids who hang together are totally racially integrated - the athletes hang with the athletes with no racial divisions that I've seen, and it is like this in each cultural group - the theatre kids run with each other, the dance squad people all hang together, etc.

But, you will not see a "goth" kid or a "druggie", or whatever, hanging with an "athlete" or an "orchestra kid".

This is a high school that is economically homogenous but culturally diverse.

Just an example...

SWTXBelle 01-31-2008 01:16 PM
OT - race
 
I think one problem with this topic is the different meanings ascribed to the same words - i.e. race, racism, culture, etc. - and the fact that misunderstandings occur when the terms are not defined, or if there is no consensus on the definitions.
-end of my hijack.

Anyone have an idea to get this back on topic?

OLD_GOLD3 01-31-2008 02:15 PM
My definition
 
My definition

When I was in high school and undergrad race was defined loosely as broader grouping of one’s ethnic background. Now I personally do not agree with the statement that there are fundamental differences between races socially. There may be slight cultural differences but that seems like an entirely different argument. If all applicants being what could be broadly defined as “American”, in the grand schemes of things there (in my opinion) are no differences. Social/economic differences amongst applicants is another story entirely, I would be naïve to assume that Fraternities do not discriminate socially, culturally or even racially.

But to stay on subject I believe the idea that people of different races can not get coexist in a Fraternity due to racial differences is absurd. Maybe socially yes but those all seem to personal “hang ups” one may choose not to associate with another person based on these principles. But I ultimately have a problem with the idea or defense of, with out calling it for what it is. Now if the term race was used to describe social difference or cultural differences, you can see how that can easily be misinterpreted. In defense of statement of that members of NPHC are equally just as exclusive as some of the other organizations mentioned are fundamentally unfounded. I can only speak for my organization and my experiences, but I have met many diverse chapters in my Fraternity and brothers equally as welcoming.

I can not speak for every brother and every chapter so I will not be that presumptuous, but in my experiences in my organization most are quite welcoming of diversity especially in the state I currently reside. Having attended two undergraduate universities in the south (maybe not the deep south) I have not seen racial exclusionary practices in most of the “orgs” I came across whether they were NPC, NPHC or NIC

“The Phinest men are made in Cambria”

PhiGam 01-31-2008 03:53 PM
Ok, were going in circles now guys... back to biggest rush mistakes. I forgot what has been said and what should be added to the list... refresh me.

Tom Earp 01-31-2008 03:58 PM
Recruitment as some said is to find like members.

Is that in mind, color or relegion?

There may be some that while not white only clauses still think that and that is ignorance not knowledge about people!

Some will be sure to argue that whites are racist, since when were blacks, Asians, or Latinos not the same?

In recruitment, he or shes find a PERSON who will help them grow and round out the group and learn from them as individuals, or should!

DSTCHAOS 01-31-2008 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1591793)
Maybe in a generalized sense, but in specific cases, I think things are becoming much more racially integrated, and the segregation is based on cultural differences not race.
I am talking about trends and patterns across millions of people and institutions such as the segregated schools, churches, and neighborhoods. These are the segregated places where people spend most of their time, even if they work in buildings that are racially integregated (even if the higher up you get in power, the more white and male it gets). However, the average American even works in racially segregated environments--often simply called a division of labor that just so happens to place people of certain races in certain divisions.

This is a racially segregated society that separates people based on race, even if they are of the same socioeconomic and family backgrounds. That's race and not culture. There is still a such as the "racial tipping point."

This society is not becoming more racially integrated. It is becoming more segregated. Both official and unofficial data tells those of us who study this and related social issues that, as well as observations in the majority of communities in this country. Your son's high school is racially integrated but most high schools in this country are not. And being in a racially integrated high school does not mean that kids bring their friend of other races home to meet their parents or that parents really know who their kids are mingling with. The difference between "school friend" and "real friend." And...no...I don't want to read more about your son's school and his friends. But I'm sure he's a great kid at a cool school. ;)

You all feel free to go back to discussing rush stuff. But I'll post again if race is discussed some more. :)

srmom 01-31-2008 05:54 PM
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does not mean that kids bring their friend of other races home to meet their parents or that parents really know who their kids are mingling with
last thing I'll say too ;)

But, actually, they do. They all run in a pack and they eat all my food, so, trust me, I do know whose raiding my pantry, and it includes "all" the guys, including the minority ones. And I love them all - although I wish they would keep their hands off my 100 calorie popcorn and oreos!

I hope it's not as bad as you make it seem. I cannot go out to movies or restaurants where I don't see multiple racially mixed couples. My sister in law is hispanic, with a wonderful huge family that she brought with her into our Irish Catholic brood.

Maybe it's because I live in a huge metropollitan city that has been named by many African American publications as one of the best places to live in the US in terms of opportunities and such. but I think it also is because it just isn't such a big deal here.

DSTCHAOS 01-31-2008 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1592024)
I hope it's not as bad as you make it seem.
It is, especially in huge metropolitan areas that African American publications said are great places to live. The fact that the publications highlight these places also speaks volumes.

Black Enterprise is a great magazine and here's their criteria:
The editors weighed the following criteria as it pertained to
African Americans in each city: median household income, percentage of
households earning more than $100,000, percentage of businesses owned,
percentage of college graduates, unemployment rates, home loan rejections,
and homeownership rates.

So this criteria and other criteria such as cultural activities and a racially heterogenous population do not solve the problem, or reduce the prevalance, of racial segregation.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...+2007+04:30+PM

This is TRULY a thread hijack as it has nothing to do with the original thread hijack. Srmom, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post your response. :)

nittanyalum 01-31-2008 06:06 PM
http://phumphries.com/forums/images/...s/killtard.gif

*my head exploding*

DSTCHAOS 01-31-2008 06:12 PM
Or you could've typed about the original thread topic, genius.

SWTXBelle 01-31-2008 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1591801)

Anyone have an idea to get this back on topic?

Hey, I tried!

nittanyalum 01-31-2008 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1592093)
Hey, I tried!
Several people did. (to no avail)

ladygreek 01-31-2008 09:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1592024)
Maybe it's because I live in a huge metropollitan city that has been named by many African American publications as one of the best places to live in the US in terms of opportunities and such. but I think it also is because it just isn't such a big deal here.
Do you by chance live in the Twin Cities, MN?

DSTCHAOS 01-31-2008 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1592095)
Several people did. (to no avail)
And some of us just announced their head exploded. :)

nittanyalum 01-31-2008 09:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1592275)
And some of us just announced their head exploded. :)
Yes, but first, on p. 12, I posted this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1591572)
Wow how did this thread get to this ^^^ from this:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n...1/P3240463.jpg

I actually miss Fratty's list of what to wear and what size/type/look of female to be seen in the company of...

DSTCHAOS 01-31-2008 09:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1592281)
Yes, but first, on p. 12, I posted this:
Oh that was your attempt? What a poor one. It's obvious how we got here and I'm sure you miss the original topic.

So post something that brings the thread back, don't just remind the thread that it detoured.

nittanyalum 01-31-2008 09:59 PM
Wow. Yes, ma'am!

SWTXBelle 01-31-2008 10:35 PM
Biggest rush mistake - driving a pink car
 
http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/c...7460156250.jpg

TSteven 01-31-2008 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1570566)
Here's the list, feel free to add on or argue against these.

1.) Wearing jean shorts (SECDomination probably sees a lot of these :D). You will not get a bid... jean shorts were [marginally] cool about 10 years ago, now they are trashy and redneck.
2.) Being overly cocky, nobody wants a pledge who thinks that they are too good to perform menial tasks, see #7
3.) One word answers. Be conversational, social skills are the most important thing that somebody can possess. The importance of this skill can not be stressed enough.
4.) Deleted
5.) Getting drunktaneous at rush events. Fraternities do not want people with no self control, it becomes a huge risk to pledge someone who can't control themselves.
6.) Do not hook up with girls at rush events unless they are of the highest quality and you have checked to make sure that they are not an active's girlfriend or even an active's potential girlfriend. Nothing is worse than pissing off a brother or receiving the nickname "free willy" in the first week of pledgeship.
7.) Trying too hard. You do not need to convince the brothers that you are the coolest person ever and they should initiate you on the spot. Be yourself and if you are a fit in that particular organization then you will receive a bid. Have faith in the fraternity, they have been doing this way longer than you.
8.) Name dropping. Goes in line with trying too hard. If you are well connected and friends with a lot of the actives then the brothers will tell the people on bid team this, you don't need to mention it.
9.) Spending less than 45 minutes at a given house. If you want a bid then you have to show the brothers that you're serious. Spend time at the house getting to know people, even if you don't pledge there you can make connections that last for a while. (I get free pizza because of somebody I met in another fraternity during rush, we really hit it off). Meet every brother that you can, the more, the better.

Tips to impress, now that you know what to avoid doing, here are a few pointers that may get you bonus points.
1.) Bring attractive girls with you. This is the absolute best way to get attention and respect from the actives. Find the best looking girls that you know from high school or whatever and bring them with you when you rush.
2.) Go to the post-rush events (if they have them) AND show that you are socially adept. The most important quality in pledges (and arguably in life) is the ability to socialize with everyone (brothers, girls, alumni, parents, etc.)
3.) Have a lot of knowledge and the ability to carry on conversations.
4.) Use manners. If you are offered food, take it. Hold the door for women and don't swear with any women in earshot, basic things that your mother has been teaching you since you were little.

The few things in italics may not apply to you, the rest of these apply to everybody.
If we may, time to head back to the program...

TSteven 01-31-2008 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1592281)
Yes, but first, on p. 12, I posted this:
For the love of all that is holy, please stop posting that. I get the hibie jibies every time it pops up. :eek:

srmom 02-01-2008 11:21 AM
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Getting drunktaneous
I'll pass that along - along with the advice to not speak like this.. EVER.

gtdxeric 02-01-2008 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SECdomination (Post 1591971)
Stop talking about boozing it up. Unless you tell us otherwise, everyone assumes you drink, and nobody cares how much.
Also, nobody will be impressed. The guys you're talking to have seen binge drinking up close and (probably) personal, and won't be awed by your awesome high school stories about that time you and your friends got SO WASTED.

On that note, if you do spring rush your freshman year, don't get wasted at another house, then come to my house with your friends who are brothers, then puke on the floor. Game over.

nate2512 02-01-2008 01:08 PM
Hm...and i never flinched at seeing the word drunktaneous

fantASTic 02-01-2008 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nate2512 (Post 1592629)
Hm...and i never flinched at seeing the word drunktaneous
Well, you ARE a fraternity member in the SEC [right? I think so?] as opposed to a mom of someone.

You clearly know NOTHING about what to say at Greek rush events, duh.

;)

nate2512 02-01-2008 01:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtdxeric (Post 1592597)
Also, nobody will be impressed. The guys you're talking to have seen binge drinking up close and (probably) personal, and won't be awed by your awesome high school stories about that time you and your friends got SO WASTED.

On that note, if you do spring rush your freshman year, don't get wasted at another house, then come to my house with your friends who are brothers, then puke on the floor. Game over.
On that note, I could also care less how good at beer pong you are. No matter how good you are, I'm better anyway. Same with flip cup.

macallan25 02-01-2008 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1590591)
And KA Society is racist... plain and simple. I have no desire to be a part of that organization and that is the only reason. They wear CSA uniforms because they were founded by Robert E Lee. They have a southern cross on their house, re enact a civil war battle every year, and got in trouble for spreading cotton on a black fraternity's lawn a few years back. These guys ARE stuck in 1865. I'm pretty sure they are the same at every school too. Most southern fraternities aren't like this though.
They are obviously not people that I want to associate with but they still have a right to have their own private organization. Any claim by them of not being racist is a boldfaced lie though.
This is one of the most dumb fucking posts I have ever read on here.

Although I am not a KA......I have several friends that are at many different schools. In my experience, them and the other men in their respective chapters are nothing but stand up, respectful gentlemen.

KA "Order" was also not founded by Robert E. Lee. Good call though.

.....and how the hell does wearing a Civil War costume and going to a party with a date, who is dressed in an Antebellum style ball gown, a sign that you are a racist?

nate2512 02-01-2008 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1592736)
This is one of the most dumb fucking posts I have ever read on here.

Although I am not a KA......I have several friends that are at many different schools. In my experience, them and the other men in their respective chapters are nothing but stand up, respectful gentlemen.

KA "Order" was also not founded by Robert E. Lee. Good call though.

.....and how the hell does wearing a Civil War costume and going to a party with a date, who is dressed in an Antebellum style ball gown, a sign that you are a racist?
Here we go again.

srmom 02-01-2008 03:44 PM
do people really use the word "drunktaneous" in a conversation? Just curious.

I've got kids at UF and UT and have never heard that word. It just seems so affected and over the top.

nate2512 02-01-2008 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1592769)
do people really use the word "drunktaneous" in a conversation? Just curious.
Occasionally, when you are looking for a word to define exactly how overly drunk you were, but simply saying you were drunk just doesnt cut it. drunktaneous is an excellent addition to anyones fratty vocabulary.

catiebug 02-01-2008 05:10 PM
<<snort>>

Quote:
Originally Posted by nate2512 (Post 1592781)
drunktaneous is an excellent addition to anyones fratty vocabulary.

FSUZeta 02-01-2008 05:17 PM
drunktaneous-spontaneously drunk(?)

nate2512 02-01-2008 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 1592861)
drunktaneous-spontaneously drunk(?)
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=92521
See post #7 by 4est.

http://frattinghard.com/fratty-dictionary/
That has a nice little definition of it.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=drunktaneous
This one has a varied definition of it.

http://blog.midwestfrat.com/fratcabulary/
Yet another.

fantASTic 02-01-2008 07:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1592769)
do people really use the word "drunktaneous" in a conversation? Just curious.

I've got kids at UF and UT and have never heard that word. It just seems so affected and over the top.
Heh...maybe it's because they don't go around telling their mom how hammered they got last weekend?

AlphaFrog 02-01-2008 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by fantASTic (Post 1592964)
Heh...maybe it's because they don't go around telling their mom how hammered they got last weekend?
I would have...but then again, my dad come to visit me at college when I was still underage and asked me which bar we could go to that doesn't card.

Although really, I probably have drunk as much alcohol in my entire life as many college kids do their freshman year. I like to drink every now and then, but it's just not the be-all-to-end-all that some college underclassmen see it as.

catiebug 02-01-2008 09:15 PM
For my freshman dorm room, my mom bought me a blender so I could make margaritas. I was 21 (almost 22 - I started school late) and she knew no alcohol was allowed in the dorms.

She didn't come visit that often, but when she did, that was usually about the only time it got used.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1592968)
I would have...but then again, my dad come to visit me at college when I was still underage and asked me which bar we could go to that doesn't card.

Although really, I probably have drunk as much alcohol in my entire life as many college kids do their freshman year. I like to drink every now and then, but it's just not the be-all-to-end-all that some college underclassmen see it as.

nate2512 02-02-2008 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1592968)
I would have...but then again, my dad come to visit me at college when I was still underage and asked me which bar we could go to that doesn't card.
Hm...where I am from if we are with our parent, we can drink legally at 18.

PhiGam 02-02-2008 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 1592861)
drunktaneous-spontaneously drunk(?)
Yeah, its a kind of drunk where someone gets really obnoxious and often embarasses themselves.

bowsandtoes 02-02-2008 07:24 PM
As for rush mistakes, never make fun of an active, even if you're just messing around and you think they're your friend. Because even if they do give you a bid, it will come back to bite you in a few months. One of my pledge brothers found this out the hard way.

FSUZeta 02-03-2008 02:24 PM
nate and phigam, thanks for the explanation of drunktaneous. nate, i lol'ed at the definations in the links you posted. too funny.


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