Wrong. Don't put words into my mouth.

I simply deny that there's much injustice here. You have a serious crime which was apparently committed -- and for that crime there are serious consequences.

That such serious consequences are available to the prosecutor when you're talking about aggravated assault in the second degree is a matter you can feel free to ask the Louisiana legislature take up.

What is that prosecutor going to say when one of the Jena 6 is actually successful in killing someone somewhere down the road? How is he going to explain to the family of the deceased his choice to give that violent criminal a "second chance" when that "second chance" results in a killing or serious injury?

These defendants are not heroes. Assuming they're guilty of this crime, they're violent felons. If you want to protest "injustice" terrific. Go find a real injustice.

I am very proud of a friend of mine who today just returned from Jena LA.

At her rquest, out of 100 pix that she has taken I am fortuante that she has let me use 10 of them to upload and present to you all.

For those of you too disconnected to see what is going look at the pictures.

For those that feel they are unnaffected, read the news, read in between the lines and when you think you get it...be sure and ask someone because I guarantee you that you don't

If you think this is a bunch of rabble rousing, then you need to come to the understanding that this and future events will tell you that we still have a lot of the past that needs to change.

At this point I am done with this.....I may post a few comments but from what some of you have shown me, regardless of how many degrees you hold and regardless of how you are living, you still have a lot of things to learn in this life about how things are going in this present day and how one event can have an effect on many other regardless of where they are....

One last thing......for those that don't know....I also like to write and perform spoken word....I would like to leave an excert from one of my peices I wrote back in 2004 called 'Born a suspect'



Yeah u see me, traveling with my homies, in 2’s and threes
You look at my dark face, quicken your pace…grab your phone dial the 9 and 1 on the double, ready to hit that last 1 cuz you’ve assumed my Black ass is about to start some trouble.

I’m born a suspect cuz already I stand accused of crimes I have yet to commit. Murder, Rape, possession with intent, cop killer…the list continues…Before the umbilical cord was severed you already have me judged, sentenced and convicted, that’s the truth your society won’t admit.


I’m born a suspect cuz you have determined the quality of education to hand me, the limits and levels of jobs to contain me, and right when the placenta displaced itself from my mother’s uterus you already have me moved into ghetto housing, dime baggin, crack smoking, gang banging , and baby daddy-ing

Before I was set in my mama’s arms, you had search warrants written printed ink drying, your trying to find the arms I would eventually own illegally, your people so called innocents harmed and supposedly by my hand, dying.

Before my mama got a chance to name me, you took time to number me, you took time to frame me, had me stereotyped, fingerprinted, libeled and defamed me. Because you thought I was a wild animal you had my cage set and ready in the state pen in attempts to train me

Born a suspect before leaving out of the hospital, you already had the timeframe set for my falling over your obstacles. You have set the wheels in motion for my walking into incarceration so I can wait 3x as long than my paler compatriots for emancipation and even if I was ever proven innocent I should never hope to see any reparations.

Enough is Enough...let me live peacefully…stop the ½ told, deleted, blacked out, one sided bulls*it, stop the terror, keep your media in check…all I want is the truth to be known… all I want is respect


enjoy the pictures, all


http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/c...20from%20jena/

I can't put words into your mouth, your foot is blocking the way....


How's that toejam thing working out for you by the way?

duh...that's what we have been try to say all along....now let's ask that same question on THE OTHER SIDE...see you already ASSUMED that one of those 6 will be committing another crime down the road.....you know what they say about assuming...What if one of those so called victims(also an instigator to the noose hanging, the store fight, the party fight...etc and so on) decided that somewhere in the future he wanted to rob a bank or...GASP....KILL ANOTHER WHITE PERSON...what do we do then Kevin....what do we do....

Right now....deal with the facts on hand...the boy did not die...the boy went to a Ring Dance later....he and his associates decided to retaliate....ALL PARTIES ARE GUILTY....let me repeat that so the slow witted and menatlly challenged can catch on for the 3rd and final time that I say this...


ALL PARTIES ON BOTH SIDES ARE GUILTY


ALL...... PARTIES.... ON..... BOTH..... SIDES..... ARE..... GUILTY.


got it?


Next part

PUNISH ALL PARTIES EQUALLY AND FAIRLY.


There are no heroes


There is no one here whose hands are clean.


If you cannot understand that then you have missed the point entirely.

First off, it's debatable whether or not hanging a noose out the back of your truck is even a crime.

Second, the recidivism rate for violent felons is pretty high. Check the stats in any state. They'll bear out the factual accuracy of that statement. The recidivism rate in every state I've ever seen is far above 50% -- usually over 60%. That's a much better than 1:6 chance. The likelihood that one of those 6 commits another felony is about as close to a statistical certainty as you can get.

I'll repeat also.

1) He was damned lucky not to be dead after being kicked in the head multiple times while unconscious. He was, however, blind for three weeks due to the swelling in one eye. Also, he still has very painful headaches.

2) He did attend the ring ceremony (it's not a dance as far as I have read), however, he had to leave early due to the pain.

What is he guilty of? Saying something offensive? Sorry, that does not merit the sort of violent attack that occurred.

Of something, however, only parties on one side of the conflict blindsided a kid and then kicked him in the head while unconscious. The other assault was the result of one of these "Jena 6" who was trespassing at a private party where he was clearly not welcome.

But the crimes aren't the same.

That much I can agree with. As I understand it, the individual accused of using excessive force to remove the trespassing Mr. Bailey from the private party stands accused of some sort of misdemeanor assault and battery. The fact patterns are very different, so the crimes charged are also going to be different.

and your prom date had gas....solvable by pepto or better yet a tablespoon of baking soda....good bye Kevin.

I've come to expect that sort of behavior from you.

Okay.. "good bye." :rolleyes:

This thread has gone on for 12 pages...and for what? Has anyone stopped to try to look at the other side of things? From where I sit there are primarily 2 groups of people that are concerned with this issue. One group is the "These 6 kids beat up another kid! Why should they be released for that". The other group is the "Yes, these kids beat up and they should be punished for that. The punishment should also fit the crime". Those in the first group seem to be treating this as a single event while those in the other are treating it as a culmination of things.

Then you have the idiots that just want people to get out of jail and not be punished. I think that group is small compared to the other two.

Bottom Line: try to take the other person's view of things.

Thanks. I agree with that. The punishment should fit the crime.

I think that so far, since the charges have been reduced, in my opinion, that has been satisfied.

Attempted murder in the second degree is an odd crime anyhow. The factual requirements which separate that from something like aggravated assault are minimal. This allows a lot of prosecutorial discretion -- something which isn't always going to be something we agree with.

Hopefully, if nothing else, this incident causes the LA state legislature to look long and hard at its criminal code. That, if nothing else is what protesters ought to be talking about.

Reason #1,913,000 why threads like this don't do well on GreekChat.

This topic isn't just about the Jena 6. Many of the people rallying weren't just doing it for the Jena 6. Whether the Bell kids stays in jail or not, there are social injustices that people of all races and social classes should be concerned with. Injustices that began generations ago and continue today.

aww man.read. Read. Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaad. This is what protesters want not just in Jena and louisiana but in the US! Go and google Jena 6 commentary! That is if its not too irrelevant for you to do.

In the us??? You're wanting to turn the imprisonment of a few thugs into something a lot bigger than it is.

that is because you are not getting it into that thick cranium that Jena is not the only place where stuff like this is happening.

That's right I forget....you....can't....relate.

Excuse yourself from this now.

Let me give the people on the slow bus some help:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/20...ref=rss_latest'

http://www.nbjcoalition.org/news/nbj...-6-update.html

(amazingly one of those thugs that you assumed would be back in jail in the future was on his way to college...I guess we can't 'assume' that he can change his life...easier to lock up the animal than educate him huh?)

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...ON03/709210314

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...3/1007/OPINION

not related but clearly....the madness continues

4 nooses found in a NC school

http://www.newsandrecord.com/apps/pb...922010/-1/NEWS

Nosses found in NC High school
 

Hell...i decided to post the whole article.

I guarantee you...before this year is out another white kid will be beaten for doing dumb shyt like this.....and the reason is....he doesn't have any idea what he is doing and he thinks he can get away with it.


Four nooses at Andrews investigated By Joe Killian
Staff Writer
Saturday, Sep. 22, 2007 3:00 am
HIGH POINT — Police are investigating four nooses found Friday morning on the campus of Andrews High School.

School officials said two nooses had been hung in a tree in front of the school and another was hung in a bus parking lot. At least one red noose was tied to the top of a school flagpole.

High Point police said school administrators discovered the nooses about 8:30 a.m. By 10:41 a.m., police officers had responded, taking the nooses down and beginning an investigation.

Security was increased at the high school, with extra police officers on campus. Police said the extra security will continue at least through the weekend.

No charges have been filed and the investigation is ongoing. Investigators did not return phone calls requesting further comment Friday.

"We don't know if it was a prank or a violent act, but we will not tolerate it," said Walter Childs, the Guilford County school board member who represents the Andrews' school district. "Something like this has no place in our schools."

Some people are wondering whether the vandalism is related to an incident in Jena, La., where nooses hanging from a tree sparked a fight involving a white student and six black students. The nooses at Andrews High showed up the day after thousands marched in support of the black students, known as the "Jena Six."

Guilford County Schools officials said they didn't let the incident disrupt the school day. Classes weren't delayed or let out early.

"We're fully cooperating with the High Point Police Department in the investigation," said Sonya Conway, executive director of district relations for Guilford County Schools. "But we're also very busy trying to maintain a regular school day."

Conway said the school would open Monday as usual.

Andrews Principal Monique Wallace declined to comment on the incident Friday afternoon.

When classes let out, many of the students followed her example and said they didn't want the incident to be blown out of proportion or to taint their school's reputation.

"We can't speculate on what this is," Conway said. "We don't know enough about it yet or even know whether this was something anyone at the school or our community did."

Several parents and school board members said the school was dealing well with a potentially explosive situation.

"My wife and I went over early in the day, while school was still in session," said Joe Alston, whose son JJ is a senior at Andrews. "Our biggest concern was how the kids would react, but they didn't seem phased by it one way or the other. I think the principal and staff did an excellent job not letting it affect the learning environment."

Alston, who is also president of the High Point chapter of the NAACP, said whoever hung the nooses should be prosecuted.

"Whoever did this — for whatever reason they did it — it's a very serious matter," Alston said. "The kids at this school don't deserve this."

Andrews has been the target of prejudice for years, Alston said.

"You have a higher percentage of inner-city, low-income students coming to Andrews," Alston said. "Because of that, you have all of the tags and perceptions that comes with, and people view Andrews and High Point Central as lower-caliber schools, which is certainly not the case."

Dot Kearns, an at-large school board member, said she agreed that Andrews has had to overcome racial and social stereotypes.

"Andrews has had its problems, but I've always thought that it was a prototype of what an urban school should be," Kearns said. "Finding nooses there, that kind of thing is so sad, so disappointing."

Contact Joe Killian at 883-4422, Ext. 228, or jkillian@news-record.com

I hope that criminals get locked up wherever they may be. Apparently, for you, this is not the case?

Yes.. we should definitely let all athletes off the hook. You want to talk about double standards. That's a big 'ol can of worms right there.

This kid wasn't college bound for his academics.

...he probably would have fit in just fine at the University of Texas.

Interesting study...
 

Racism's Cognitive Toll: Subtle Discrimination Is More Taxing On The Brain

Science Daily — While certain expressions of racism are absent from our world today, you do not have to look very hard to know that more subtle forms of racism persist, in schools and workplaces and elsewhere.

How do victims experience these more ambiguous racist messages? Are they less damaging than overt hostility? And what are the mental and emotional pathways by which these newer forms of discrimination actually cause personal harm?

Psychologists have some theories about how the experience of racism plays out in the brain--and what that means today compared to before. All human beings are driven by a few core needs, including the need to understand the world around us. When people do things to us, we must know why, and if we are uncertain we will spend whatever cognitive power we have available to diagnose the situation.

Read the rest right here.

I am staying out of this discussion for personal reasons, but I do find the above quite interesting

*sliding DaemonSeid $200.99+tax and asking if PayPal is acceptable*

Those pictures were priceless. especially the sign that said "Not All White People Are Crazy." :cool:

Monet: Thanks for the psychological spin. That's my language right there. :D

All I have to say about this thread is this rightchere: "Don’t argue with fools becuse people from a distance can’t tell who is who." Stay focused on the topic and if people wanna go astray, let them go...all by themselves. If anybody hears more news, lemme know.

Are you serious right now?

YES!!!! Thankyou christiangirl!!!

I always hated this saying.

I don't mean to add fuel to the fire, but I heard about this website and the investigation into it.... I didn't see that it was mentioned already either...

the rest of it here: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...vZWav9zg08hh3Q

and um.. here is the website.... (moderators PLEASE edit as necessary if against TOS or causes too much trouble) i just wanted to let people know..... :(

Fuel to what fire?

Like you said, it is being investigated. No fuel there.

Alethia...it's pertinent info....some people here need to READ it and see that this is RELEVANT to many who are affected by such a hurtful move....thanks...I was going to post it myself!

Of course it is pertinent and relevant.

But there's no fire in this thread and that piece of news is certainly not fuel. That is unnecessarily prefacing and adding a dramatic tone when there is none.

Oh, just a question, and you all are helping how?

"you all"

if you only realize how you sound when you make a statement like that...it shows how little you are learning to become a part of the solution as opposed to continually be a part of the problem or at best do nothing....if I showed how YOU as a citizen can be a part of the SOLUTION...would YOU be willing to be involved?

Oops, I'm sorry:o, I just didn't want people to jump on me if it had been posted or if it did upset anyone. I apologize :(

I'm glad that everyone DID find it relevant though :o

Oh, don't waste your time fighting with that drunk bigot. I was so happy when he was de-modded so I could put him on Ignore.

Teh Moonshine--keeping Earp irrelevant since 2000.

Damn good article.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...ry/284511.html

Thank God for the Uncle Toms of the world. :rolleyes:

He doesn't agree with your position. So, that makes him an "Uncle Tom"?

Yeah.. I agree.

Did you see the one where a communist website sporting a swastika as one of their symbols came out against the Jena 6? I guess the author is probably also a member of the People's Communist Socialist party (or whatever it was).

Do you know what my position is? I don't disagree with him. And yet, that op-ed is an example of Tom-ism.

Some of his points are valid, some I disagree with...

but the main thing that is prevalent and I have been asking since I first hear it was this passage

Here is another undeniable, statistical fact: The best way for a black (or white) father to ensure that his son doesn’t fall victim to a racist prosecutor is by participating in his son’s life on a daily basis.


My question has been where were the parents on both sides of this as this event played out? For that matter, where were the ADULTS who were responsible for all of these kids and why weren't they doing more that sitting on thier hands and burying thier heads in the sands?

Nice logic leap, Kevin. :confused:

I'm not sure why you didn't make that leap? I mean, surely, if he's not out parroting the party line, he's on the side of the racists? That's what being an Uncle Tom is, right?

Serious question: Why?

Fail of a response.

So, seriously asking:

If you don't disagree with him. And his op-ed is an example of "Uncle Tom", please explain why it is "Uncle Tomism".

Edited: I felt that my original statement could be misconstrued.