I'm SO glad someone else noticed this!!!

OMG
 

So 1/3 of the girls attending a pref will have to be eliminated from being offered a bid?

I guess I'm still confused on this process tomorrow or tonight.

PNM puts
#1 as A
#2 as B
#3 as C

"A" has PNM on list as #53 with quota at 53
B has PNM on list as 54
C has PNM on list as 20 (or anything above 52)

Does PNM automatically get the bid for C that she listed as #3 and if she doesn't accept cannot go into COB hoping for her # 1 or # 2 or snap?

snap ??
 

You would think from being a UGA soority alum I would know this..please someone explain "snap"

A sorority that does not make quota can "snap" bid girls the morning of bid day. These can be girls who mismatched or girls who were released earlier in the process. The girls who are "snapped" join the pledge class on bid day night as though they got their bids with everyone else, as opposed to getting a COB later in the semester. Chapters can also "snap" to total if they are under total.

Example: If quota is 52 and your chapter only gets 50, you can call a few girls on the morning of bid day to "snap" your pledge class up to quota.

It's late so hopefully I explain this correctly and clearly...

In your example above, A goes down their bid list and fills up their slots to quota. It is very rare for any chapter to get their entire first bid list because this would mean that every PNM Sorority A wanted first also wanted A first. Therefore, A continues down their bid list until they have a list of 53 girls (quota in your example).

If PNM is within that bid list of 53 girls (even if she was #75 on A's list) then she is in A's new member class. If A has already filled their list before reaching PNM, then they look at Sorority B. If B has not yet filled all 53 slots, then she will match to B. If B has filled all 53 slots, then they look at sorority C to see if PNM matches there.

If she does not fall within the first 53 women on A, B or C's bid list, she could still end up in A, B or C's bid list if the campus uses quota additions. I know I'm too out of it to explain quota additions tonight :)

Hope that helped. If I made any mistakes, other GCers please correct me!

You are not eligible for "snap" if you 1) suicided or 2) dropped out.

That's when the term switches to COB. That the easiest way I can describe it.

"Snap" is allowed when a house has 1) dropped you, but you stayed in, 2) house has reached quota but you are snapped up as a Quota Addition 3) there was a mismatch in your placement, but you still qualify for a placement as snap with a house.

I am saddened to read your post; my daughter's roommate has gone through a similar experience. This young lady, like your D is thoughtful, intelligent and gives of herself. She would be a great asset to any sorority. She withdrew her name on Friday and is hoping for open bid or snap (not sure of the correct terminology).

But the point is, this young ladies' self confidence was blown out of the water this week. She felt her self worth had been shredded. Thankfully, she is grounded and has a strong sense of who she will come out of this week with a renewed sense of confidence.

As Momma's we never want our girls to go through this kind of rejection. It doesn't help either that they are about to start classes. This girls are blessed to have wonderful parents like those on this post.

I just wanted to pass on some info that may be helpful as the UGA girls receive their bids. On Monday, bids were distributed at Auburn. Amidst all of the cheers there were some tears from girls who did not receive their first or second choice. With a little encouragement from their moms, two girls that I know of went ahead and accepted their bids. They were really not sure if they even wanted to do this since they weren't 'in love' with their sorority. Now, only 3 days later these same two girls are loving their sororities! They have spent time with their pledge class and have gotten to know the whole house much better and they are now happy with their decision. Sadly, one other girl who was released after prefs., received a snap bid from her third choice. After consulting her mom she decided not to accept the offer. The reason? Mom and daughter had their hearts set on one sorority only. Now she feels as if she is missing out on something fun and exciting. The moral of the story: No matter what happens today, please encourage your daughter to give it a chance. Don't make hasty decisions at such an emotional time. Good Luck to all of you!

Thank you for the advise. I'm sure that this could come in handy as we wait til the 5 o'clock hour to arrive.

Oh..... my D just called as she was headed to class. I was so glad to hear that she slept good and has a good attitude about whatever may come of bid announcements.

At the University of Georgia, is a PMN notified early if she does not receive a bid or does she just show up in a white dress at 5 o clock and get the disappointing news in front of the entire group?

I found this online http://www.uga.edu/panhellenic/Libra...ter%202007.pdf

It seems as if the girls get their bids, then go back to their dorms to change. The bids tell them whether they need a white dress or not.

The sororities pick up the girls at their dorms since the campus is so spread out. They can't "run" like at Bama.

I think most schools notify the rushees if they haven't received a bid before they get near anything resembling a bid day festivity.

Yes, the girls at UGA are notified if early if they do not get a bid. I believe the Rho Chi calls them.

The books were probably printed before D Phi E made the official decision.

It says it's not the PNM's responsibility, however "it can be difficult" for the sororities to secure a rec for you so it's "appropriate" to have them sent to the chapters.

Until NPC pulls its head out of its butt on this issue, that's unfortunatelly probably all they can say.

I really feel so sorry for the girls that don't receive bids or got cut out early. How hard is it going to be for them to watch as the sororities pick up the girls at their dorms while they just watch !! My heart breaks for those girls.

I agree!! This whole process seems barbaric, my heart goes out to all those girls AND their moms.

Even if the NPC doesn't want to come out and say "No rec = slim to no chance of a bid" would it be wrong for the campus to actually come out and say it?

While it's not an easy process, going into rush everyone knows that there is a chance that they can be cut from all the groups or not get invited back to their favorites. But to call it barbaric is wrong.

In the scenario above, the PNM would get A. It goes by the PNM's preference first. Basically, unless a chapter makes quota before they get to her name on the bidlist, she gets her first choice. And even if you meant for quota to be 52 and she was #53, there is still a 99.999999% are that she would get a bid from A anyway because EVERY SINGLE PNM above her would have to put A first for them to fill quota before getting to her name, which is unlikely.

wow, UGA quota was 62 last year. that's a large drop.

why the decrease?

I've done bid matching by hand (smaller numbers and smaller chapters) before and it was much easier to understand and I believe it works the same with the computers.

Basically you take each bid - look at their first choice - if they are on their A's bid list - it's a match - they get A. If they are not they go into a "Hold" pile, theory is that if someone else on A's bid list has a first choice of B and B matches, that woman would be removed and her slot filled with the next name on the list would move up.

Once you go through all the PNM's - you go back to the "Hold" pile, if sorority A has filled their quota list, they will go down to her second choice "B" and if her name is on their list, she will match to "B", if it is closed then they will move to "C".

But the system is designed to hope everyone gets their first choice, so this is why many get their third choice as they hold on "A" while 'B' is filling up so they drop to "C".

Hope this makes sense, bid matching by hand is the only way I understand the bid matching process!! Plus now that we have compute-a-rush it's done in seconds and with technology, always room for error!

Good luck to EVERYONE today!! :)

55, looks like the houses got all the lists last night.

I hadn't thought of the possibility of other houses seeing that she was a legacy. In my daughter's case, that, combined with the fact that we've only lived in GA a short time and she didn't know anyone in any houses, and were never told that recs were needed, caused her to be cut early from most houses, when, like your daughter, she is sweet, smart and attractive, and if she'd had a chance to get to know them things would be different. She's OK about everything, so she says, but I know it will be hard when her roommate and the other girls she's become close to over the past week get their bids. I wonder if the Rho Chi's will follow up with which groups might have COB or a later informal rush. I know she would not consider doing this again next fall.

She could still be offered a snap bid.

Can they get snap bids if they dropped out due to the fact that they were cut from most houses ? Are snap bids and open bidding sometimes done on bid day ?? Just curious..

Pref was last night, and bid day doesn't begin until 5:30 today. During that time the girls who don't receive bids are getting calls from their rush counselors letting them know they were released. That gives them enough time to get out of Dodge (or off the campus) if they don't want to be around the girls getting picked up.

snap bidding should be going on right now. It usually starts right after the houses get all the lists (their bid list, a complete list of what house everyone went to, and everyone who dropped out). This allows girls who accept an opportunity to come to bid day and no one knows who was on the original bid list and who was not.

On bid day they (snap bids and COB) look the same to the "outside" world. But if you drop out of rush or SIP (suicide) you cannot be "snap" it must be termed COB. This is how it must be termed on the membership report.

I think people get confused because on Bid Day "outsiders" have no clue which members where snapped or COB-ed. If you dropped out of SIPed you have to sign up for COB. If you maximized your options and were mismatched, then you qualify for snap.

In terms of membership-- it has no bearing. All girls sitting at the houses tonight will be full fledged members. It doesn't matter if they were full formal rush, snap bid, or COB. They are all full "pledges" or PMN's.

Ex: Ruth Rushee drops out after 3rd round. She signs up for COB with ABC and DEF. XYZ is not allowed to "snap" her because she dropped out. To be considered for XYZ, she needs to sign up for COB with them, as well.

This intrigues me, as I looked for it in the Green Book and could not find it. Where is this stated? Specifically that someone who withdraws or ISPs cannot be considered a snap bid?

Its local. they have to be signed up to be reconsidered. It may be what's considered "snap" where you are. But you cannot tell a girl who drops out after 2nd or 3rd round to sit in her room and "wait for the phone to ring" it won't happen at UGA. She's got to sign up for COB. If you want to call her a snap, so be it. But technically she's not.

Ahhhh gotcha. Thank you for the explanation!

When you say about "signing up" for COB - can they sign up for it from all the chapters, or just certain ones?

Can any of the snaps or COBs on Bid Day be quota additions or are they just for the groups that didn't make quota?

The houses advertise which ones are participating in COB.

So of the ones that are participating, you can sign up for only the ones that are of interest to you. (or you can sign up for all the ones participating, too)

Thanks melongirl - you are explaining so many things in this thread and doing it so well! You rock. :)

So I'll ask another question - is it mainly the groups under total that COB? If not, how do they know they won't have enough people filling quota to participate?

Thanks!! :D

There are a couple of houses that are under house total. Even with quota, they may still be under "house total". They would be interested in doing COB.

There are also some houses that have come close to quota the past two years that may have sign-ups to have a net of girls in case they need to get to quota. As I said before, houses can COB on bid day and the girls are welcomed on bid day with the rest of formal rush and there is no stigma of being known as a "COB" pick.

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melongirl, just asking -- I'm not criticizing: at UGA at other times during the year, i.e., after formal recruitment, is there actually a "stigma" connected to COB?

Oh no-- I didn't mean it that way!!

Just that tonight, no one except the chp. president, membership person and the member herself will know who came through formal and who cob. So everyone can bond as one group, have their pictures taken together tonight, etc. There won't be someone coming in two days later and missing the bid night photos, etc.

Sorry if wrote that sounding snotty!! did not intend that!

Thanks.