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blackngoldengrl 08-21-2007 09:58 PM
To me it makes sense if you are a strong chapter (and can manage it financially) to take less members and keep the numbers under control. I can't imagine the number of sisters present in one chapter there, especially since my whole chapter was as big as quota at Alabama!

My only thought when seeing this idea posted (taking less than quota purposefully) was what about the girls who didn't get bids on bid day? Doesn't that mean that there were about 12 that went bidless?

kk_bama 08-21-2007 10:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gung-Ho-Chi-O (Post 1505900)
I'm just kidding but I think with a sorority having as rich a history as KD has at Alabama, people don't need to worry about their chapter or question their member's choices. I can tell you one thing...the strong sororities at Alabama know who they want practically years in advance...the girls in the houses know who is "back at home" & will be joining them in the near future. They know not only who they want but who they will be fighting to get them. It's not like they are going into rush to meet all the girls & see who they like from a few brief encounters during the week, although some sororities do pledge girls they just met & grew to adore. The focus of most actives who have a girl from home or a relative they are pulling to pledge is to make sure their girl meets the rest of the girls that aren't from her hometown or that haven't met her previously from a spring party or visit to the University.

That's all they really have to be concerned with...they are not in a frantic rush to meet these rushees & decide who they would prefer to have join. This year in particular,all of the sororities should be proud to have pulled
off such a feat with such large numbers & in that heat no less!!!
I have to agree wholeheartedly. Honestly, KD probably only wanted to take 52 girls, but when they found out quota was 73, they had to scramble and get some more. They will be absolutely fine, as will everyone else on the Row! What a fabulous 2007 Recruitment for everyone!

Zillini 08-21-2007 10:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gung-Ho-Chi-O (Post 1505900)
Ah...you girls bring back such fond memories of Magnolia Drive :-)
I feel old or sound like my mom saying this...but does anybody remember the good old days when it was called rush, not recruitment, & the girls were only ever called rushees, not pnm's? I'm only in my 30's so it wasn't THAT long ago!
You're not old! I know because I'm older than you and I'm not old. :D

Yup, I went through rush as an excited rushee too. I signed a pref card, then became a pledge. I had a Pledge Trainer and was given a paddle with our letters on in it which had to be signed by every member of the Chapter. The seniors purposely tried to make it difficult for all of us lowly pledges to do. I had phone duty which included door and wake up duty (no alarm clocks allowed in the dorms/sleeping porches). I had a Pledge Mom and was initiated in January. Then I moved up the Chapter Roll every year as new pledges came in. That meant I could speak in Chapter or pick a room before someone with a lower number.

YIKES! How horrible! How politically incorrect! I was hazed and didn't even know it! How did I ever survive? :eek: :D :eek: :D

NUBlue&Blue 08-21-2007 10:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zillini (Post 1505929)
You're not old! I know because I'm older than you and I'm not old. :D

Yup, I went through rush as an excited rushee too. I signed a pref card, then became a pledge. I had a Pledge Trainer and was given a paddle with our letters on in it which had to be signed by every member of the Chapter. The seniors purposely tried to make it difficult for all of us lowly pledges to do. I had phone duty which included door and wake up duty (no alarm clocks allowed in the dorms/sleeping porches). I had a Pledge Mom and was initiated in January. Then I moved up the Chapter Roll every year as new pledges came in. That meant I could speak in Chapter or pick a room before someone with a lower number.

YIKES! How horrible! How politically incorrect! I was hazed and didn't even know it! How did I ever survive? :eek: :D :eek: :D
I was there, too! We didn't have open air dorms, though, so we could have alarm clocks. But phone duty....those were the days! :D

MVisKD 08-21-2007 11:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gung-Ho-Chi-O (Post 1505900)
Ah...you girls bring back such fond memories of Magnolia Drive :-)
I feel old or sound like my mom saying this...but does anybody remember the good old days when it was called rush, not recruitment, & the girls were only ever called rushees, not pnm's? I'm only in my 30's so it wasn't THAT long ago! The terms just sound so sterile & not personal & more like a robotic process when rush at Alabama is so unique & practically it's own institution, especially compared with some schools!

The whole KD situation reminds me of one year at Alabama when Kappa didn't meet quota...back in the day when every sorority typically did. It seems to me KD made this decision on their own to have fewer pledges in their new class this year. Not to sound rude or put Kappa down, but their not filling quota that particular year was not by choice, as they even generally conceded to. EVERYONE seemed to go crazy ridiculing them, particularly the houses Kappa typically competes against for the girls they are interested in. Out of the other 4 sororities that got a good kick out of a rare weak rush for a strong sorority such as Kappa, one of them even went so far as to print up long-sleeved tees with the number of Kappa's pledge class on the front & some crude statement on the back!! That's right... they even thought ahead so the tees would be worn throughout the fall.

I thought this was tacky & was not amused...showed no class...but those tees were the most visible things going across the quad for quite a while.
Imagine how this made the new pledges feel :-( Actives were on the defensive, as anyone would be, telling anyone that even looked at them the wrong way..."It's QUALITY...not Quantity!'' Maybe the KD's this year should print tees & adopt Kappa's mantra from that year for them!!! Ha!

I'm just kidding but I think with a sorority having as rich a history as KD has at Alabama, people don't need to worry about their chapter or question their member's choices. I can tell you one thing...the strong sororities at Alabama know who they want practically years in advance...the girls in the houses know who is "back at home" & will be joining them in the near future. They know not only who they want but who they will be fighting to get them. It's not like they are going into rush to meet all the girls & see who they like from a few brief encounters during the week, although some sororities do pledge girls they just met & grew to adore. The focus of most actives who have a girl from home or a relative they are pulling to pledge is to make sure their girl meets the rest of the girls that aren't from her hometown or that haven't met her previously from a spring party or visit to the University.

That's all they really have to be concerned with...they are not in a frantic rush to meet these rushees & decide who they would prefer to have join. This year in particular,all of the sororities should be proud to have pulled
off such a feat with such large numbers & in that heat no less!!!

Does anyone have any more pics from bid day? I was thrilled to see Gamma Phi Beta & A O Pi but want MORE MORE!!

Come on ladies...post those pics!

Great post!!!!!! Everything you said really hits home! :)

News straight from the second floor of the KD house:

I have spoken to a current KD senior, and she had NO CLUE that they did not meet their numbers....She said everyone was so excited about the new members and it seemed she genuinely did not know that they didn't meet quota. She said that all of their top girls pledged and that is all they care about! I am not sure if the Exec board is keeping it quiet or what, but I think that publicizing whatever did happen would hurt all of the new pledges (and actives!) feelings.

Thanks for everyone's insight and for sharing all the news of the chapters at Alabama. It has been great to read all of the good news! I have a few pictures from friends that I will post soon!

MVisKD 08-21-2007 11:42 PM
How do i post photos?
 
I can't figure out how! :( Any advice?

BamaAGD 08-21-2007 11:47 PM
AGD rush!!!
 
Congrats to all Moms, New members and alumni on a fantastic Recruitment! All of the new girls are absolutely precious! Alpha Gam's new class is fantastic and like most houses all of our top girls pledged so YAY! Again, congrats to all!

kk_bama 08-22-2007 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVisKD (Post 1505980)
I can't figure out how! :( Any advice?
When you goto post a reply, you can insert an image with the little icon in the toolbar that looks like a mountain. It can upload directly from your computer.

Gung-Ho-Chi-O 08-22-2007 01:00 AM
More Pledge Class Pictures :-)
 
Hi Everyone!

Any more luck on any bid day pics? MVisKD...thanks for your kind comments!! Don't you miss Magnolia Drive...hope those girls know how special these years are & how fast they will fly by.


O.K....now I really sound like my mom! By the way, The new pledge class KD got this year has 10 or 11 girls from my hometown & I even recognized a few last names myself as ancient as I am:-) Congrats...they're all fabulous women!!!

Take Care & post those pics ladies!!!

bamabelle99 08-22-2007 08:49 AM
I MISS MAGNOLIA DRIVE TOO!!!!

That said, if KD wanted to meet quota, they would've. They are very selective, they have the right to be...and like a previous poster said - they know years in advance who is going to be in the house.

When I was in school, I remember a few Old Row sororities not making quota - not because they couldn't, but because they didn't have too. In general those houses will always be strong and don't need to take quota to have a successful rush (I refuse to call it recruitment).

Zillini 08-22-2007 09:58 AM
It's our fault?
 
This was one for the books and I had to share it with all of you. I received a call from a alum who was absolutely livid! She was calling on behalf of her distraught friend/pledge sister and the mother of a legacy who had been released. To add insult to injury, the active recruiting the PNM didn't even know this girl was a legacy and so didn't treat her with the courtesy she was entitled to.

I track all the legacies going through the Recruitment process and this name didn't ring a bell. My initial reaction was what went wrong? Sure legacies aren't guaranteed a bid, but we do make all of our actives aware of the legacies during our Rec Reviews in workshop week. Needless to say I apologized and promised to investigate.

So I pull out our Legacy Intro/Rec books. Nothing there. Did we misfile her info? That might explain it. I checked the non-legacy Rec books, nothing. YIKES! Please don't tell me it got lost! I check the PNM's Panhellenic application -- she left the entire section blank. No mention of being a legacy at all.

The alum had given me her name and address as well as mom's. I checked on our Inat'l database. Sure enough there they were, initiated at this Chapter. Why is this important? It obviously wasn't a case of being from a school where they didn't know any better. It also means they are receiving their Inat'l magazine at the correct address. Every summer it includes the Legacy Intro and Rec forms along with the addresses of where to send them for every school.

I called the alum back and asked (politely of course :)) if she had sent in a Rec. No. Had mom sent a Rec or a Legacy Intro? No. I see. No explanation was offered as to why, but apparently we should have just known. Seems we didn't do our homework to know who the PNM and her mom was.

(I didn't say this but I certainly thought it.) You're kidding me right? We had 1410 PNM's signed up and it's our responsibility to investigate all of them to see if they are/aren't legacies? We did at least investigate those who claimed on their app's to be legacies but we didn't receive any paperwork on. You never know if Grandma passed away or is infirmed. But this PNM didn't even identify herself as a legacy when she signed up for Recruitment.

*sigh* Yeah, it must be all our fault. :rolleyes:

NutBrnHair 08-22-2007 10:03 AM
Zillini,

No, it's not your fault. All you can do is process the information you receive. THEY dropped the ball.

Question...did the young woman mark herself as a legacy on her Panhellenic form?

MVisKD 08-22-2007 10:08 AM
Those were the days...
 
Not only do I miss Magnolia Drive, but I miss swaps, fried friday - all of it!! Even Rush, apparently! :)

I am on a MAC and I still can't seem to post the pics I have....I will keep trying but when I click on the mountain it is asking me to type in a URL.

NutBrnHair 08-22-2007 10:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gung-Ho-Chi-O (Post 1505900)
I'm just kidding but I think with a sorority having as rich a history as KD has at Alabama, people don't need to worry about their chapter or question their member's choices. I can tell you one thing...the strong sororities at Alabama know who they want practically years in advance...the girls in the houses know who is "back at home" & will be joining them in the near future. They know not only who they want but who they will be fighting to get them. It's not like they are going into rush to meet all the girls & see who they like from a few brief encounters during the week, although some sororities do pledge girls they just met & grew to adore. The focus of most actives who have a girl from home or a relative they are pulling to pledge is to make sure their girl meets the rest of the girls that aren't from her hometown or that haven't met her previously from a spring party or visit to the University.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVisKD (Post 1505968)
News straight from the second floor of the KD house:

I have spoken to a current KD senior, and she had NO CLUE that they did not meet their numbers....She said everyone was so excited about the new members and it seemed she genuinely did not know that they didn't meet quota. She said that all of their top girls pledged and that is all they care about! I am not sure if the Exec board is keeping it quiet or what, but I think that publicizing whatever did happen would hurt all of the new pledges (and actives!) feelings.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bamabelle99 (Post 1506061)
I MISS MAGNOLIA DRIVE TOO!!!!

That said, if KD wanted to meet quota, they would've. They are very selective, they have the right to be...and like a previous poster said - they know years in advance who is going to be in the house.

When I was in school, I remember a few Old Row sororities not making quota - not because they couldn't, but because they didn't have too. In general those houses will always be strong and don't need to take quota to have a successful rush (I refuse to call it recruitment).
I see the "party line" is in full force!

Ladies, I can assure you, even strong, good, Old Row chapters wouldn't want this to happen four years in a row.

MaggieXi 08-22-2007 10:09 AM
This whole thing goes back to one of my original posts: Some responsibility falls on the PNM. Mom, grandmom, aunts, rec writers, etc. can do all the grooming they want, can write all the recs in the world -- if the PNM doesn't follow through and take on some of this responsibility she could very well be dissapointed in the end!

Zillini 08-22-2007 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1506097)
Zillini,

No, it's not your fault. All you can do is process the information you receive. THEY dropped the ball.
Exactly! Alums have some responsibility/work to do here too.

Quote:
Question...did the young woman mark herself as a legacy on her Panhellenic form?
Nope.

33girl 08-22-2007 10:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1506101)
I see the "party line" is in full force!

Ladies, I can assure you, even strong, good, Old Row chapters wouldn't want this to happen four years in a row.
Even if your "not quite" quota is 60 - I can't imagine explaining this to your HQ. "Why didn't you take quota?" "We didn't feel like it."

NutBrnHair 08-22-2007 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zillini (Post 1506104)
Exactly! Alums have some responsibility/work to do here too.
"It takes a village!"

Oh good lord, I'm quoting Hillary Clinton?

Zillini 08-22-2007 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1506105)
Even if your "not quite" quota is 60 - I can't imagine explaining this to your HQ. "Why didn't you take quota?" "We didn't feel like it."
I don't know about other sororities, but our Inat'l uses achieving Quota as a criteria for awards. But it doesn't matter if it's achieved through bid matching, snap bids and/or COB. Achieving Chapter Total is also a criteria.

MVisKD 08-22-2007 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1506101)
I see the "party line" is in full force!

Ladies, I can assure you, even strong, good, Old Row chapters wouldn't want this to happen four years in a row.
I sure am glad I have a "party line" to help back up the lone KD on the board!

I know you feel allegiance to your home chapter as well and wouldn't want everyone spreading rumors that they snapped 16 girls or had alums come back to help rush because they didn't have enough members to do so. I am only trying to keep a good vibe about my chapter so this news doesn't spread down to next year's potential rushees and keep us from getting quota again.

So thanks for all the KD support and good words, everyone!

NutBrnHair 08-22-2007 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVisKD (Post 1506114)
I sure am glad I have a "party line" to help back up the lone KD on the board!

I know you feel allegiance to your home chapter as well and wouldn't want everyone spreading rumors that they snapped 16 girls or had alums come back to help rush because they didn't have enough members to do so. I am only trying to keep a good vibe about my chapter so this news doesn't spread down to next year's potential rushees and keep us from getting quota again.

So thanks for all the KD support and good words, everyone!
I totally understand and you'll see from my previous post when I stated it would be a "wake-up call" for any of us -- and we've ALL had similar situations.

I do wish KD all the best and I'm positive they have a terrific pledge class, but it rubs me the wrong way when the mantra is something like "they didn't want quota" ... "they didn't even know they didn't make quota" ... etc.

Jill1228 08-22-2007 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1506097)
Zillini,

No, it's not your fault. All you can do is process the information you receive. THEY dropped the ball.

Question...did the young woman mark herself as a legacy on her Panhellenic form?

A quote I live by (that is appropriate here):
"Failure to prepare on your part does NOT constitute an emergency on mine"

It was their FUBAR

MVisKD 08-22-2007 10:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1506118)
I totally understand and you'll see from my previous post when I stated it would be a "wake-up call" for any of us -- and we've ALL had similar situations.

I do wish KD all the best and I'm positive they have a terrific pledge class, but it rubs me the wrong way when the mantra is something like "they didn't want quota" ... "they didn't even know they didn't make quota" ... etc.
Let me just make it clear- the woman I talked to said SHE didn't know they didn't make quota. She said a completely different number than others on this board have posted. She is also a Senior and not that concerned with all the hoopla, anyways. She probably was just covering their butts so word doesn't get out and the rumor mill started. Again, it is not something they are advertising.

I know this has happened to all chapters. During my years at Alabama I saw chapters get smaller and smaller and the quality of the girls pledged every year just diminish - they ended up with pledge classes full of someone else's leftovers. It is a hard thing to come back from and I don't wish it on anyone, and especially not my chapter.

Zillini 08-22-2007 10:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill1228 (Post 1506120)
A quote I live by (that is appropriate here):
"Failure to prepare on your part does NOT constitute an emergency on mine"

It was their FUBAR
I love it! I believe I've found my new mantra! :D

honeychile 08-22-2007 10:53 AM
Shame on you, Zillini! You don't have the entire alumae database memorized yet? :rolleyes:

They both should have known better!!

NutBrnHair 08-22-2007 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 1506130)
Shame on you, Zillini! You don't have the entire alumae database memorized yet? :rolleyes:

They both should have known better!!
Wait!!! I think it's honeychile's fault too! She should have TOLD you. :p

irishpipes 08-22-2007 10:58 AM
I guess I am thinking of the KD situation differently. I am wondering if this is a case of a strong chapter falling victim to the new release figures - not being familiar enough yet with that process to avoid this pitfall. I know that a few years ago at Georgia some of the strongest chapters had to snap to quota and the general feeling was that the new release figures caught them off guard a little. The new release figures help the smaller chapters right off the bat, but the stronger ones may need several recruitments to understand fully how to achieve the same results with fewer PNMs.

Just a thought.

honeychile 08-22-2007 11:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NutBrnHair (Post 1506133)
Wait!!! I think it's honeychile's fault too! She should have TOLD you. :p

Um... Okay, IT TAKES A VILLAGE!!!! :p

Omigosh, now I'm doing it....

Bamarox 08-22-2007 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1506134)
I guess I am thinking of the KD situation differently. I am wondering if this is a case of a strong chapter falling victim to the new release figures - not being familiar enough yet with that process to avoid this pitfall. I know that a few years ago at Georgia some of the strongest chapters had to snap to quota and the general feeling was that the new release figures caught them off guard a little. The new release figures help the smaller chapters right off the bat, but the stronger ones may need several recruitments to understand fully how to achieve the same results with fewer PNMs.

Just a thought.
That's exactly what happened. Because they have had one of the highest return percentages they had a higher release figure. If you are not smart you will miss quota, next year their release figures will be lower. For the top houses there is very little margin of error.

AnchorAlumna 08-22-2007 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zillini (Post 1506094)
...I received a call from a alum who was absolutely livid! She was calling on behalf of her distraught friend/pledge sister and the mother of a legacy who had been released...
Happened at our chapter. Youngest daughter of a chapter charter member, who was gracious enough to have given us a color TV (back when a color TV was a HUGE deal...literally). I looked for her, because I had been friends with her older sister back in 2nd grade. Turns out the older sister had come through, too, but we had no clue! She had transferred and signed up for rush at the last minute. Neither girl pledged...they dropped us.
We never got another color TV!!

bejazd 08-22-2007 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1506134)
I guess I am thinking of the KD situation differently. I am wondering if this is a case of a strong chapter falling victim to the new release figures - not being familiar enough yet with that process to avoid this pitfall.

I wouldn't look it at it as "falling victim." If you think about the way the new release figure method works, it's normal to expect that some very strong chapters are going to miss quota from year to year. Top chapters have big release numbers and they are all competing for the same girls. But the chapters aren't psychic. They can't possibly know for sure what Polly PNM or Patty PNM is going to do ....it's happened to everyone that a group of PNMs that have "bonded" during recruitment week and they all decide they want to stick together and pick the one house they all have in commom and boom! there goes 5,6 10 girls on your bid list who may truly have loved you. Whatever. Some of the greatest members you'll ever get are pledged in COR.

Sheesh all these chapters are fabulous in their own right. I give 'em all snaps for a terrific recruitment!

Tex-A-Bama 08-22-2007 12:39 PM
You ladies have been great keeping us all informed of the Rush #'s and such. My daughter is a legacy of a chapter that is not present on this campus. She had a great expierence and never once complained.I think the Rush process works and these young ladies end up where they belong. The strength of character comes out going through Rush especially in the dog days of summer. My daughter is happy:)so I am happy. Personally invoved in Bama rush and now moving on to a
texas rush a little more at ease. A little diffence in #'s. 795 women going through.

kk_bama 08-22-2007 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tex-A-Bama (Post 1506180)
You ladies have been great keeping us all informed of the Rush #'s and such. My daughter is a legacy of a chapter that is not present on this campus. She had a great expierence and never once complained.I think the Rush process works and these young ladies end up where they belong. The strength of character comes out going through Rush especially in the dog days of summer. My daughter is happy:)so I am happy. Personally invoved in Bama rush and now moving on to a
texas rush a little more at ease. A little diffence in #'s. 795 women going through.
Where did your daughter end up pledging at Bama? I glanced through the list and saw quite a few women from Texas pledging Theta ... Theta is so strong there!

LXA SE285 08-22-2007 12:55 PM
I wanna know what "fried Friday" is. ;)

kk_bama 08-22-2007 01:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LXA SE285 (Post 1506189)
I wanna know what "fried Friday" is. ;)
Friday lunch at the sorority houses is ALWAYS something fried: chicken fingers, fried chicken, french fries, fried seafood, etc.

No wonder I gained weight at Bama. :rolleyes: Sloooowly working it off in the past couple years.


Not to mention that you can get sweet tea 24/7 at my sorority house. Geekypenguin knows all about that!

MVisKD 08-22-2007 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LXA SE285 (Post 1506189)
I wanna know what "fried Friday" is. ;)
THE BEST DAY EVER!!!!!! Great hangover food of fried chicken fingers, french fries, fried cheese sticks, etc etc. DELICIOUS! :)

dukedg 08-22-2007 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1506134)
I guess I am thinking of the KD situation differently. I am wondering if this is a case of a strong chapter falling victim to the new release figures - not being familiar enough yet with that process to avoid this pitfall. I know that a few years ago at Georgia some of the strongest chapters had to snap to quota and the general feeling was that the new release figures caught them off guard a little. The new release figures help the smaller chapters right off the bat, but the stronger ones may need several recruitments to understand fully how to achieve the same results with fewer PNMs.

Just a thought.
We had this same problem with the Cal DG chapter the first year we used the new release method! We were shocked to not make quota, but didn't really understand how the new method worked back then. I think all the houses at Berkeley that had higher percent returns were affected, but after a couple of years the percentages moved into a more reasonable range for us. The first year we were only allowed to invite back something like 32 girls with a quota of 25 (only two houses at pref for Berkeley)! That is because they used our previous years' percentage returns when the heavier cuts were not made up front.

GeekyPenguin 08-22-2007 01:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kk_bama (Post 1506199)
Friday lunch at the sorority houses is ALWAYS something fried: chicken fingers, fried chicken, french fries, fried seafood, etc.

No wonder I gained weight at Bama. :rolleyes: Sloooowly working it off in the past couple years.


Not to mention that you can get sweet tea 24/7 at my sorority house. Geekypenguin knows all about that!
MMMMMM sweet tea! They finally started carrying it at the grocery store by my apartment. :)

BBelleADPi 08-22-2007 01:48 PM
NutBrnHair: I was going to make a quote from a previous poster and write "Bad Form!", but instead will simply say: you are a very gracious lady, and a compliment to your sorority.

Zillini: I am aghast that anyone in this day and age (and did you say this alum WENT to Alabama?) would not know about filling out a rec form, etc. If you were ever in ANY sorority, sat through the voting process, had alums in the room, yada, yada, yada, you would KNOW about rec forms!!! Which is the obvious reason you went behind yourself, trying to find "your" mistake! I swear to goodness, this takes the cake!! (And, yes, a proud member here of early seventies frills rush, paddles, getting THREE signatures per member in a BOOK that we had to carry everywhere we went for a full quarter!) Hazing to the max!

And, lastly, thank you for all you do in ADPi.

Tex-A-Bama 08-22-2007 01:53 PM
Theta was her second choice.She went ZTA


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