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valkyrie 07-19-2006 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
And It also weakens your immune system. It does more negative than positive to the human body. That's an indisputible fact
Cite please?

kddani 07-19-2006 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin
I drink to stay mentally healthy. So do all the people who call Lawyers Helping Lawyers. ;)
Lol. I just had to go to my new lawyer 4-hour mandatory CLE (even though i've been a licensed attorney for 9 months). Loads of fun and lectures about substance abuse. I think if I was dating him i'd have to drink in order to stay mentally healthy.

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by valkyrie
Cite please?

http://www.jrussellshealth.com/alcimm.html

Marie 07-19-2006 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
I don't view drinking as something as part of a person's personality. It's possbile to expect a person for who they are...good and bad. Nobody is going to be exactly how you want them to be. No one is perfect and there for you have to except them for there perks and their faults.
Encouraging them to change is not ACCEPTING them.

valkyrie 07-19-2006 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
But see "Alcohol and Health."

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:21 PM
Like I said before, I'm sure there's something about everyone's partner they wish that they could change. The fact that you stay with them regardless of the habit proves that you accept the person but just not fully the habit. Naturally, you're just going to look out for your partner on things that you feel may be harmful to them because you care about the person. It probably would even be that big of a problem unless the habit out out of hand or it did turn into a "nagging every 5 minutes" thing. Just both sides have to understand where the other person is coming from

Oh and here's more:

http://www.jrussellshealth.com/alcohol.html

valkyrie 07-19-2006 05:23 PM
Are you June Russell? It all makes so much sense now.

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by valkyrie
Ok, I read it and yes there are some positive affects to alcohol (which I never denied) but that still does not negate the fact that there are more negative affects than positive.

GeekyPenguin 07-19-2006 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
Like I said before, I'm sure there's something about everyone's partner they wish that they could change. The fact that you stay with them regardless of the habit proves that you accept the person but just not fully the habit. Naturally, you're just going to look out for your partner on things that you feel may be harmful to them because you care about the person. It probably would even be that big of a problem unless the habit out out of hand or it did turn into a "nagging every 5 minutes" thing. Just both sides have to understand where the other person is coming from

Oh and here's more:

http://www.jrussellshealth.com/alcohol.html
That lady is NOT A DOCTOR.

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by valkyrie
Are you June Russell? It all makes so much sense now.
C'mon, now you're just arguing to be arguing.

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin
That lady is NOT A DOCTOR.
Oh ok, so now she has to be a doctor to be a credible source?! It gives you her background on the home page. Seriously...

valkyrie 07-19-2006 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
C'mon, now you're just arguing to be arguing.
No seriously. You sign up and start this thread and then when asked for authority you post some lady's website. This is compelling circumstantial evidence that you ARE said lady. I bet nobody here has ever seen you and June Russell together. HAVE THEY?!

kddani 07-19-2006 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
Oh ok, so now she has to be a doctor to be a credible source?! It gives you her background on the home page. Seriously...
The webpage itself isn't credible. It's unprofessional and she's unknown. She could've pulled those quotes out of her behind or extracted them in a way that's misleading. How about some credible, primary sources?

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:31 PM
LOL, boy great way to try to ruin a thread...by accusing me of being alcohol researcher. I'm not going to even entertain this, but I will continue debating with you on the initial topic.

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kddani
The webpage itself isn't credible. It's unprofessional and she's unknown. She could've pulled those quotes out of her behind or extracted them in a way that's misleading. How about some credible, primary sources?
That's why she lists her sources right on the home page as well?

KSig RC 07-19-2006 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
Ok, I read it and yes there are some positive affects to alcohol (which I never denied) but that still does not negate the fact that there are more negative affects than positive.

"more negative than positive"?

Holy crap dude . . . first of all 'more' is not a good term here. Are you listing them numerically (ie there's a higher quantity of 'bad' than 'good')?

Do you have some sort of system to calculate 'total health'?

Can you definitively tell me that any, say, heart effects are more than offset by additional adipose tissue and the potential for slight autoimmune suppression?

Have you ever taken an econ class? Can you tell me the personal utility one might gain from alcohol consumption doesn't outweigh the factors you're considering negative?

Quantifying 'good' vs. 'bad' here is pretty much retarded.

Also, why so much hate for these things? Do you drive a car, or eat red meat? Everything is bad for you, dude - pick your battles, but realize they're YOUR battles.

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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
That's why she lists her sources right on the home page as well?
Dani actually addressed this point . . . citation != credibility automatically.

Marie 07-19-2006 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by valkyrie
No seriously. You sign up and start this thread and then when asked for authority you post some lady's website. This is compelling circumstantial evidence that you ARE said lady. I bet nobody here has ever seen you and June Russell together. HAVE THEY?!
LOL!!!!:D

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KSig RC
"more negative than positive"?

Holy crap dude . . . first of all 'more' is not a good term here. Are you listing them numerically (ie there's a higher quantity of 'bad' than 'good')?

Do you have some sort of system to calculate 'total health'?

Can you definitively tell me that any, say, heart effects are more than offset by additional adipose tissue and the potential for slight autoimmune suppression?

Have you ever taken an econ class? Can you tell me the personal utility one might gain from alcohol consumption doesn't outweigh the factors you're considering negative?

Quantifying 'good' vs. 'bad' here is pretty much retarded.

Also, why so much hate for these things? Do you drive a car, or eat red meat? Everything is bad for you, dude - pick your battles, but realize they're YOUR battles.



Dani actually addressed this point . . . citation != credibility automatically.
Maybe if you state what you were trying to say in simpler terms then I can give you a better response. I don't have "hate" for anything I just don't support self destructive behavior and just want to see where other's stand on the issue. And sure I do those things, but eating red meat and driving a car has a significant purpose and won't cause me to make a complete ass out of myself by doing too much.

valkyrie 07-19-2006 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
Maybe if you state what you were trying to say in simpler terms then I can give you a better response. I don't have "hate" for anything I just don't support self destructive behavior and just want to see where other's stand on the issue. And sure I do those things, but eating red meat and driving a car has a significant purpose and won't cause me to make a complete ass out of myself by doing too much.
Oh, dear.

Marie 07-19-2006 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
Maybe if you state what you were trying to say in simpler terms then I can give you a better response. I don't have "hate" for anything I just don't support self destructive behavior and just want to see where other's stand on the issue. And sure I do those things, but eating red meat and driving a car has a significant purpose and won't cause me to make a complete ass out of myself by doing too much.
He's saying that calculating the 'goodness' v. 'badness' of drinking is ridiculous.

He stated: What is your method/system for determining Total Health? You must be using some scale, right?

He asked you: Are you adding in the personal value that one gets from drinking (which is different for everyone) to your total?

Since you clearly can't do these things, then your calculating 'goodness' v. 'badness' for the rest of the world in non-sense. You can only do this for yourself (just as you choose to eat red meat when others don't).

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 05:55 PM
Oh ok and i can see your point. There isn't any concrete measurement but I'm basing it off of the facts obtained through research. And I come across more negatives than positives. Is there anyone that has came across different?

valkyrie 07-19-2006 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Marie
You can only do this for yourself (just as you choose to eat red meat when others don't).
I wouldn't date a guy who eats red meat.

GeekyPenguin 07-19-2006 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
Oh ok, so now she has to be a doctor to be a credible source?! It gives you her background on the home page. Seriously...
She has absolutely no credentials listed. She is not a medical professional. She is not a credible source.

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin
She has absolutely no credentials listed. She is not a medical professional. She is not a credible source.
I think you're only saying that because you want the article to be wrong but I'll go with it. How's this:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._13364827/pg_9

GeekyPenguin 07-19-2006 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
I think you're only saying that because you want the article to be wrong but I'll go with it. How's this:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl..._13364827/pg_9
Monkeys getting AIDS doesn't make that lady a doctor.

AKΨ_BRO@DSU 07-19-2006 06:07 PM
You know...no matter what source of information I post, you're not going to find it credible because you don't want to begin to except that fact that it may be.

Marie 07-19-2006 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
You know...no matter what source of information I post, you're not going to find it credible because you don't want to begin to except that fact that it may be.
Well...does it really matter? I mean, some people drink. PERIOD. You don't. PERIOD. That's fine for everyone. In reference to this discussion, perhaps you two wouldn't be right for one another. Why the need to prove someone else wrong or convince them to be different?

BobbyTheDon 07-19-2006 06:12 PM
Isn't Alpha Kappa Psi some dorky business frat? Do you guys go and do calculator wars with Delta Sigma Pi or Phi or whatever they are called?

Marie 07-19-2006 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyTheDon
Isn't Alpha Kappa Psi some dorky business frat? Do you guys go and do calculator wars with Delta Sigma Pi or Phi or whatever they are called?
Alpha Kappa Psi is an excellent business fraternity with a wide variety of personalities, as you can clearly see. ;) Thx!

valkyrie 07-19-2006 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyTheDon
Isn't Alpha Kappa Psi some dorky business frat? Do you guys go and do calculator wars with Delta Sigma Pi or Phi or whatever they are called?
They're SLIDE RULE wars, I think.

Dionysus 07-19-2006 06:24 PM
I so didn't know it was a business fraternity. I thought it was some rip-off NPHC fraternity.

GeekyPenguin 07-19-2006 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
You know...no matter what source of information I post, you're not going to find it credible because you don't want to begin to except that fact that it may be.
Prove to me that June Russell is a health practicioner.

Also, accept.

Also, I know alcohol CAN be bad for you, but it isn't always.

Dionysus 07-19-2006 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyTheDon
Isn't Alpha Kappa Psi some dorky business frat? Do you guys go and do calculator wars with Delta Sigma Pi or Phi or whatever they are called?
Yeah you have it right. It's Delta Sigma Pi...who are actually cool peeps at my school.

Liberal_South 07-19-2006 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
Maybe if you state what you were trying to say in simpler terms then I can give you a better response. I don't have "hate" for anything I just don't support self destructive behavior and just want to see where other's stand on the issue. And sure I do those things, but eating red meat and driving a car has a significant purpose and won't cause me to make a complete ass out of myself by doing too much.
You don't drink, smoke, or have sex. You are lame. You pull shit from you ass and cite it as credible sources, I bet you go to a shitty third tier school if they let you get away with that stuff. You are an idiot, and I bet the reason for you not having sex isn't by your choice. Everyone here has taken you to task on everyhitng you've said, yet you still claim to be an expert on alcohol, sex, and other stuff. Until you learn the art of citing, or get your MD (which is medical doctor in case you were too stupid to know that (hell, I'll even cite it for you: MD. (n.d.). STANDS4.com. Retrieved July 19, 2006, from STANDS4.com Web site: http://www.stands4.com/b1.asp?KEY=43288)) you need to quit this website, get a job or get AIDS, which you are so scared of.

Scandia 07-19-2006 06:57 PM
A spin-off.

Would you think that someone in his/her late 20s who has never been in a serious relationship is lame or has something wrong with him/her?

This person has dated various people, but rather early on both people have realized that they are not for each other. The person is still a virgin- due both to religious morals as well as not having found the right person yet.

The person otherwise has many friends- including long close friendships of over 8 years. The person gets along well with his/her family, has a successful career, many hobbies and interests, and has a very healthy attitude towards life. Not to mention the person lacks a criminal record and is debt-free.

Liberal_South 07-19-2006 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Scandia
A spin-off.

Would you think that someone in his/her late 20s who has never been in a serious relationship is lame or has something wrong with him/her?

This person has dated various people, but rather early on both people have realized that they are not for each other. The person is still a virgin- due both to religious morals as well as not having found the right person yet.

The person otherwise has many friends- including long close friendships of over 8 years. The person gets along well with his/her family, has a successful career, many hobbies and interests, and has a very healthy attitude towards life. Not to mention the person lacks a criminal record and is debt-free.
I hope this is completely hypothetical since it's unnerving to think that a potential girlfriend of mine would do both a background and a credit check on me. Not that I have anyhitng to worry about of course.

But yes, someone who has never been in a serious relationship has something wrong with them. Look at the signs. I went out with a girl who had a bunch of boyfriends- she had alot for a reason, she was smokin', yet she was nuts.

Drolefille 07-19-2006 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Scandia
A spin-off.

Would you think that someone in his/her late 20s who has never been in a serious relationship is lame or has something wrong with him/her?

This person has dated various people, but rather early on both people have realized that they are not for each other. The person is still a virgin- due both to religious morals as well as not having found the right person yet.

The person otherwise has many friends- including long close friendships of over 8 years. The person gets along well with his/her family, has a successful career, many hobbies and interests, and has a very healthy attitude towards life. Not to mention the person lacks a criminal record and is debt-free.
Without re-opening the cans of worms lying around,

I'd have to meet the person. If they seemed fairly "normal" and were interesting and attractive, I'd be interested. If they were ok, but not my cup of tea, I would say not thanks, but not think that they're lame. Sounds like a fairly average person except for the sex. I wouldn't let the virgin thing turn me off, but I'd still need the compatibility to turn me on.

/Not like that...

kddani 07-19-2006 07:09 PM
Insecurity and a need for self-validation via a message board comes across as lame.

KSigkid 07-19-2006 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AKΨ_BRO@DSU
And It also weakens your immune system. It does more negative than positive to the human body. That's an indisputible fact and REALLY none of the people who have posted prior to this one has said, "I drink to stay healthy".
The study you site is 15 years old, and is dubious, at best. However, here are a couple of sites (Mayo Clinic and Harvard School of Public Health, fairly reputable sources) that explain that drinking alcohol in moderation can have health benefits:

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcohol/SC00024

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...e/alcohol.html

As these sites show, while it's not healthy to go out every night and drink 20 beers, get sloshed and throw up, alcohol in moderation can add to a healthy regimen.

It seems you're twisting medical data to support your opinion, and it's not working.

OtterXO 07-20-2006 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Scandia
A spin-off.

Would you think that someone in his/her late 20s who has never been in a serious relationship is lame or has something wrong with him/her?

This person has dated various people, but rather early on both people have realized that they are not for each other. The person is still a virgin- due both to religious morals as well as not having found the right person yet.

The person otherwise has many friends- including long close friendships of over 8 years. The person gets along well with his/her family, has a successful career, many hobbies and interests, and has a very healthy attitude towards life. Not to mention the person lacks a criminal record and is debt-free.
Hmmmm....well that's a more interesting question. I think someone who has never been in a long term relationship may go through more learning if you date them so that would be something to deal with, but if the person was great I probably wouldn't even think twice about it.

And plus, any man without a criminal record will ALWAYS get a second look from me....LOL. :p


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