DITTO!! ;)

"I usually just say NPC and IFC. If a more racialized distinction fits the discussion then I always type "HWGLOs" and not "WGLOs."

Agaaaaaaain, those of you who are offended, your offense is duly noted. I will make note to try to remember not to type it ON GreekChat. What else?"

****In case you missed it.****

Exactly.....that's what ours uses it for. You need something when people are screaming about the increases.

Ohhhhh---that's the difference? Please, people.

PWI, predominantly white institution, predominantly white university, predominantly white college---same thing.

The end result is the same with or without the requested examples--as I predicted it would be.
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well you did not say before that you would refrain in using such acronyms until now. Saying duly noted doesn't mean that you apologize that you will discontinue using offensive and inaccurate terms. So thank you now for clarifying what you plan on doing after you duly noted....:p

Please see my explanation above. OU isn't doing anything. 1 professor is creating a definition for a term.

Maybe you need to read my posts again---or better yet visit the ignore feature. ;)

Well it is on the university's website, so take that for what you will. I knew that giving you all examples wouldn't mean anything because it would come down to some minute technicalities that you would struggle to discover.

Once again, feel free to look up other PWIs and see how they refer to themselves. OU is far from the only one. :)

There is a difference between being on a website hosted by the university and being on the official university website. If we went to ou.edu and they said, "Come visit OU, a predominantly white institution," that would be an example.

I can start a website on blogspot that says "Blogspot is a lame site host" and it would not mean that Blogspot had referred to themselves as a lame site host.

OU lists all grants that it's professors request and recieve because it makes them look good. This is not uncommon. I'm asking for an example from the university.

I can't look up a PWI when I haven't seen evidence that they exist.

Now you all are being ridiculous.

Quick question---

Do you all think that the terms PWI and HBCU were created by people on GC?????????????

Sure it's different. An acronym indicates that the phrase is the typical phrase to describe such a phenomenon.

And like I said, we're discussing semantics here. We're reading into the potential/implied meaning of the words here. "Predominantly" seems to indicate that the institution which is predominantly white/black exists to serve the needs of a particular race.

Would you be offended if we were to drop the "HBCU" acronym and instead start referring to schools such as Howard as PBIs or "Predominantly Black Institutions"? I'm not sure that you would care either way, but what's your take on that?

PWI doesn't necessarily offend me. I'm really pretty indifferent. I don't tend to get bent out of shape about implied meanings unless they have some real effect. None exists here except that a few people I might call overly PC are happier. If they're happy and I get to remain indifferent, that's a win-win.

No, though that doesn't make them inoffensive or appropriate. Same with WGLO.

PWI doesn't bother me in and of itself except that it isn't some sort of commonly used term by the institutions. That's why I challenged DSTChaos on that. WGLO offends me.

I don't use WGLO... and I don't think that I would use HWGLO either....

BUT I cannot see how PWI is either offensive or inappropriate. This is just a matter of statistics.


ETA: The term is used in academia to describe certain institutions.

Correct.

By others and themselves.

I never said that EVERY predominantly white institution refers to itself as such, but there are enough who do for the point to remain the same.

Yet you have not given evidence of that. Despite what you may think, one grant request isn't evidence.


/heck I'm just glad you'll stop using terms that you've been repeatedly told were offensive

I can think of PLENTY of examples but I will not waste time posting them only for you all (who already have your OPINION that will not be moved by anything) to pick them apart over insignificant details. One grant request on OU's site pales in comparison to what some other PWIs have on their sites. :)

I never used WGLO anyway. I will try to remember to stop typing HWGLO but that partially depends on the discussion. I will continue to use PWI with no exceptions. Hope that clears things up for you.

Cool. :)

If it pales in comparison, just post one of those sites. If you could show me that it was used by universities to call themeselves predominantly white, I would in fact reconsider my opinion. I can't prove my side as it is not possible to prove a negative. You can only prove yours and you have fallen down on that.

It is sad to see that you are changing your previous statements already.

So I'll ask it again -- if we were to drop the use of the term HBCU and instead use PBI, would you feel the same about such an acronym as I do about PWI?

Wouldn't bother me ONE bit.... because statistically these schools are PBIs.

BTW--

I would not be offended but people pretty much know that HBCUs are typically also PBIs, so the newly attempted distinction is pointless. Similar to starting to use the acronym "HWCUs."

:confused: :confused: :confused: Are you saying that you haven't seen any universities that are majority white?

Really people...I don't know what the fear is about being considered white these days. PWI is a commonly used term. Just because an institution does not refer to itself as such does not mean that the term doesn't exist nor does it mean that the term isn't valid. PWI is simply a term that is used to distinguish schools that are in fact majority white from those that aren't. Since it is not likely that we'll all go around saying HBCUs v. All The Others, then an appropriate term was created to give these institutions some sort of classification.

There are many studies that observe the experience and effects of minority students attending schools that are majority white. Any simple google search will turn these up. The term PWI is used repeatedly as a descriptor for these institutions. It isn't used to bash or cast any judgement on the study or the institution. It is simply a classification for the purpose of simple understanding.

No one is saying that PWI = 'We only want/cater to/target white students' or 'We are comprised only of white students'. Infact no one even thinks that except, of course, other white people (who I'm honestly not sure actually believe that the term is offensive or are just so afraid of being considered racist that they regect anything and everything that sounds 'too white') . PWI = just what it says PREDOMINANTLY WHITE INSTITUTION. In case we aren't all clear on what that 1st word means then here is the definition.

predominantly

adv : much greater in number or influence; "the patients are predominantly indigenous"

Are you saying that you don't think that there are schools for which this definition applies (white students are greater in number)?

Honestly, I can see the argument against WGLO b/c it could imply that these organizations are in place to attract and serve whites only. I can even see the argument against HWGLO b/c inspite of the accuracy of this term, the titles IFC and NPC are in place to make the distinction, and maybe deep down we're all just a little uncomfortable about the fact that these orgs were founded with what we may today consider to be non-PC policies/clauses. However PWI? Come on people.

Not at all.

If you can see an issue with WGLO the same argument can exist for PWI or HWCU or whatever. My only real issue with PWI is that DSTChaos keeps saying that universities use it to describe themselves and has not provided evidence to support her assertation.

Maybe as a KAPsi, His voice should be heard.

Is He not A Member of an Outstanding Fraternity and You belittle Him and His Brothers?

Either you think there is a problem with the term or you don't. It's not "Oh I do think that the term is offensive in the same way that I think saying my organization is all white is offensive, but I really am ok with that. I just don't like how she said it was the schools official title."

Also, the key to those two terms being different is the use of the word predominantly. W/o that word the term is absolute and without exception, which can be inaccurate. However, with that word it is description that implies most, but not all, which is accurate.

And I thinkl the reason for that is HBCUs keep promoting it.

They Are Colleges and that is a true answer.

Earp Speak is a way for people to state their beleifs and I have the opportunity to speak Mine.:D

Maybe You can spell or type better than I do that is fine, but how does Yours and other minds think?

So, letsw fight The Civil War all over again and who was responsible for what happened in the past.

This is not the past, this is today!

LOL.

Tom, seriously...what are you talking about and why does your Kappa friend matter right now?

Maybe it doesnt, but a question was asked and it got totaly out of whack with nothing to do with teh poor original Poat!

Does that answer you question?:)

To clarify, I was acknowledging that there could be an argument against PWI just as there could against HWGLO etc.

However, I personally only take issue with a claim made w/o evidence, not the term itself.
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I understand it can be descriptive, such as in the grant request, but instead I'm stating it isn't a label or even description, that universities use for themselves, certainly not often.

This is of course my opinion, and it is subject to change upon presentment of evidence to the contrarty ;-)

Yes. :)

I look forward to reading some more initiation costs.

Never Mind, it does no good to try to discuss any thing with You!

You seem to be so self opinionated any way!:(

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I do not understand what you want to discuss with me, Tom.

Your Kappa friend is cool and special and his opinion counts in a very abstract way. Just like everyone else on here. Is that what you wanted me to say?

your organization is predominantly white.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=predominantly

Most common or conspicuous; main or prevalent: the predominant color in a design.

what an incredibly stupid post.

I don't know haw many more ways to say this to get it to sink through your thick skull.

White GLO is totally offensive, especially to our non-white members.

Historically White is not any better, especially since most NPCs have been "integrated" longer then they have not been.

Predominantly White still implies that we consider white people before other races.

If someone asks you not to use a spesific term because it's offensive to them, the normal human thing to do is to stop using the term.


PS...to use your own argument, you're not white, so you can't tell us what we can and can't be offended by.

are you slow? i said predominantly white, twit. if you're not intelligent enough to hang in this conversation...click on the red x. if you're going off of implication and not the actual definition of the word predominant, then you're more of an idiot than previously thought.

if you get offended at the word predominant, it reinforces my opinion of your minute intellect, and i'll continue to use it because eventually you'll start cursing and screaming at the computer and drooling at the mouth.

and i don't particularly care whether or not white people or anyone else get offended at the word "predominant." go on ahead, and continue to get offended. no sweat off of my back. it's not a racial slur or anything of the like.

the term predominantly white GLO isn't meant to offend. it's stating a fact. the majority of your membership is caucasian. thus, it's predominantly white.