However, black comedians poking fun at whites is not akin to blacks poking fun at blacks.

Also, how do you feel about your usage of the word redneck? Some will call you ignorant for it and be insulted by it.

Your saying that guy isn't black because he made a joke may also be construed to be ignorant by some.

I mean this word ignorant is the word of the day, week, month, and year.

-Rudey

Please read what I posted again if this is what you got from my post. I said that I could've understood the "joke" BETTER if they were trying to poke fun at THEMSELVES.

The date is an idiot and they are idiots for allowing this nonmember to make their chapter look stupid. I'll direct my annoyance at any idiot who is an idiot. Thanks.

If black is now synonymous with most mothering and nurturing then this should've been the "Hattie McDaniel 'Gone With the Wind' Award." They approved of the award which means it made sense to them...idiots.

I'm still trying to buy a bridge if anyone has one.....

...and her dating being black is supposed to mean there's not a problem? Sorry, not buying it. I don't care if her best friend/neighbor/mother/whoever is black, nothing condones that behavior.

Not addressing the comic issue because its off-topic.

My response to you was "that's part of it" with assumption that you knew that meant "you're on the right track."

However, if that simple response seemed flippant to you then it's a good idea for you not to post to me anymore.

Just want to reiterate that the "they" in this instance is not the entire chapter of Chi Omega at Kent State. It was a couple people and was done without the knowledge of the rest of the chapter.

THEY are idiots and now the whole chapter is suffering, which happens all the time when A FEW idiots do things in the name of our organizations and chapters.

I understand your point, but I'm just trying to support my sisterhood. If someone only reads a post or two of this entire thread I don't want them to think it was a chapter-sponsored award so I will continue to bring it up that is was NOT.

I'm sure if something was done in poor taste/with bad judgment by a few Deltas, you would want to be sure that people realized it wasn't all of you who knowingly participated.

Personally, I don't laugh at racial jokes--period. I find them offensive no matter who says them. As I do dead baby jokes. But that's just me.

Just some questions about this whole thing.

Was this non-member (the Zeta who reported the incident) the only person who spoke up about it? Did the chapter have a discussion about it? I am not trying to pry into their business but when a soror does something out of line, you pull them to the side and school them. What was the reaction of the audience when the award was announced? Was the award name on the program? If so, why was it still allowed to continue?

The answers to these types will determine whether this misguided act was acceptable in the climate of the chapter.

Ok people, lets all take a deep breath and jump off our soapboxes for just a second.

It's already a given that the award was insensitive. Arguing that it's ok on the basis that "turnabout is fair play" based on the musings of black comedians is logically flawed at its base level.

The problem here is that we're beginning to play a game of semantics that will get us nowhere in the grand scheme of this debate. Pulling out different nuances in racial banter between different people will not solve the greater problem of anyone's insensitivity towards another minority whether it be social, religious, or (in this case) racial.

In the grand scheme of things this is an issue of white privilege and the reason many of the members of this board don't understand why a black person would get upset by the "Most Ghetto" award is an example of such. They have the privilege of opting out of any form of injustice or oppression that is perpetrated against any other non-white.

To the Chi O who is defending her sisterhood: We understand that it's not the enitre chapter, just a case of a few people in the chapter that didn't think before they acted. I respect you standing up for your sisterhood.

Peace.

@ McCoyred
Good questions. Because it seemed from the article that no one thought it offensive other that our sister greek.

Do you condemn those comedians then? Without race a lot of comedians would be out of business, especially black ones.

And you're more than entitled to not laugh at those jokes and I won't judge you for it. :)

-Rudey

Pretty much! Happens all the time with any organization. It's unfortunate but things like this can't be swept under the rug.

And I would love to know how/why a chapter would think that was appropriate. Or why someone would want to associate their letters with such an award. But its over and done and I hope the chapter resolves their issues.

Nobody is saying turnaround is fair play. It's not an issue of 2 wrongs making it right.

Someone's intentions matter greatly. If this was a joke, just like countless other jokes that black and white comedians have made, and people of all colors laugh, it's strange that only this joke (made by both black and white people) upsets people.

hotghettomess.com is a great usage of the word ghetto. It's discussed with fondness in D9 forums.

-Rudey

Thanks, again.

Why especially black ones? You sound really nuts to me, right now. Nevermind. You are off topic anyway.

Is it me or does this make absolutely no sense.

There was a Zeta Tau Alpha there and she reported it?

No a member of Zeta Phi Beta who was in charge of the catering.

You've posted in this thread 8 times- have you not read the first post yet?

I do not buy their recordings, nor do I attend their live performances. There are Black comedians out there who do not do racial jokes and they are whom I support financially.

PhrozenGenius is right on when he says:

The reality is this: White people have privledge in the world. It's a fact we must all face. The sooner we all face it, the sooner we can fix the problem. For all those people complaining about Black comedians making racial jokes, I say get a clue. Have you even looked at the world around you?

Also, on joking: Listen, whoever said that thing about a Black comedian making Black jokes to a Black audience, you're on point about saying it's okay. I don't care if they make jokes about white people, at all, because being white, those jokes can bounce off your chest. As the one person said "the real joke is on you" or something. Because being white, you don't have to worry about that joke being a reality or a product of racial injustice towards you.

Everyone just needs to open up a little bit and see things from other people's perspectives. Then maybe we wouldn't have this damn thread.

You are not the mouthpiece for the caucasian race so as long as you realize that jokes don't bother YOU and others can be bothered, fine.

No joke bothers me as long as the intent isn't malevolent.

-Rudey

Way to live by your principles. And that's fine. But I hope you don't judge people that do. But then again, we all judge don't we?

My only purpose in these posts is to try and get people to think about intentions - how they haven't been offended in the past by comedians who didn't have bad intentions and how a couple girls here may not have meant for anyone to be upset and offended.

These girls are guilty of exposing their sorority to unnecessary risk for sure, but I'm not sure I would go so far as to say they are racist or ignorant even. There are bigger fish to fry with those labels.

-Rudey

You have verbalized my thoughts. I can crack jokes on 'the man'. The man can get upset, but will shake it off as I have no real power to harm. If the man were to crack a joke on me, much more has to be taken into consideration.

No I don't. That is their choice.

All i can say
 

It never seems to amaze me about some individuals when it comes to race. the statement that was put out by the sorority chi omega was way out of line, and being a founder of a multicultrual fraternity really makes me upset because every time we try to makes efforts as African Americans in this country its always someone or some people trying to put us 2 steps back. its always a stigma attach to us as black people. I heard the statement on TV two white girls who said "ooh my gosh thats soo ghetto", and it really upset me because they dont know what ghetto means but because we as a cultural use it they think its okay to us it and then us it out of content. Okay what im trying to say is We shouldnt constently have to justfiy words that we use to other cultures like the N word( which by the way should not be use at all), ghetto etc... basically if u dont know what the hell it means then dont use it at all. Fun or no fun stick to what u know.. Point Blank. So to my chi omegas out there remember and other people as well " When in doubt shut yo mouth".... GOD Bless u all....

Sincerely,

D.0.7
Mu Omega Pi fraternity Inc... Est.2001

Does anyone GO to Kent???
 

As a journalist for the Daily Kent Stater, which published this story originally, I'd like to defend minority affairs reporter Bryan Wroten. As far as I know, NO Kent students were confused about this article. Perhaps you don't understand the specifics because you don't go here? This was in the KSU paper, NOT a wire story. This story catered to KSU students, NOT the general Greek world.

I understand my comment isn't in regards to the actual event, (which I do think is appalling) but as a journalist for the school where it occured, I don't think I ought to comment.

I do, however, think you should read the story carefully and consider that if you don't go to Kent, parts of this automatically aren't going to be clear to you. Bryan's an excellent, respected reporter. Please don't be so hasty to accuse him of bad writing skills when it's you who's not taking the time to understand.

-Kate Bigam-

Re: Does anyone GO to Kent???
 

Yes, well constructed sentences seem to be your paper's calling card.

I'm at work; give me a break. No need to get nasty.

Re: Re: Does anyone GO to Kent???
 

Yeah, give her a break. It's rare that a journalist, or even a colleague of a journalist takes the time to defend their articles on an internet message board.

Respond to the points she makes, not her grammar and punctuation.

Re: Re: Re: Does anyone GO to Kent???
 

The "journalist" probably would have more credibility if she took the time to make sure her post wasn't reflective of her colleague's writing skills.

One cannot blame utealum for simply pointing out what many other GCers were probably thinking after reading that post.

Re: All i can say
 

Yep, its always someone else's fault when it comes to Black people's problems. I'm going to catch alot of shit for this post...but I really don't care....mainly because I find comments like yours hilarious. I've got news for you bud, you aren't the only race that uses the term "ghetto." If you find it offensive when you hear people use the term "_____is so ghetto," then maybe you should consider that the way in which people perceive it is only influenced and precipitated by mainly members of the black community. Watch BET or MTV for fucks sake. Hell, I saw an MTV Cribs show that had two rappers that lived in shithole houses in the "ghetto" because they said it gave them a sense of their roots. The whole show all they talked about was ghetto this and ghetto that....and how wonderful it was to be living amongst "their people." Well hmmmm.....maybe that could have had something to do with how people invision it. Maybe you should stop whining and realize that the people or person who is "trying to put you two steps back" are infact some of your own. It gets pretty annoying hearing certain people on this thread bitch and moan constantly about bigotry and racism (caugh-starang21-caugh) when a majority of the problem lies within your own race.

Re: Re: All i can say
 

wanna start up my fan club?

Geez
 

You guys are really malicious. I'm surprised to see that from a moderator. And anyways, I said I was at work, and I went back and corrected everything. Even journalists are allowed a round of copy-editing or two.

No wonder Greeks get such a bad rap, guys. It's shameful to see everyone being so nasty over little things.

Macallan25,

You should really consider sterilization.

Just a thought.

LOL, ouch

Re: Geez
 

I wouldn't be surprised about anything that anyone writes on this message board.

Try not to stereotype us all. Much like all journalists aren't bad, nor are all greeks. As a matter of fact, I find that absolutes tend to be a poor idea when trying to get a point across, it gives the other party too much room to debate.

Sorry, I get tired of hearing black people, or anyone for that matter, blame their misfortunes on any and everyone but themselves. Doesn't mean that I don't like some or have respect for some, but it gets pretty old.

Re: Geez
 

If you're here defending your colleague, that's great. His work was a little sloppy, no big deal. Otherwise, he reported factual information. I agree, don't shoot the messenger.

Completely unnecessary. Feel free to reply to the individual speaker. Nothing gives you the right to paint with such a broad brush.