Oh my, please let us know your insider information, since the media is so unreliable. I'm sure Al Sharpton & Co. is a much better source than MSNBC.

^^^ He's on a brand new tangent that has nothing to do with what valkyrie and I typed to him.

Just let it go and have a blessed weekend.

I love your avoidance of relevant issues. I'm not on a tangent, I'm responding to your continued posts which basically claim I don't know what I'm talking about because I get my information from the media. You continue to stray away from the situation at hand, most likely due to your position, which is very difficult to defend.

"Black on white violent crime is much more common than the opposite"

Did you have anything to back this up?

I have used a statistic regarding that issue before, and I'll try and get back to you with it.

2 Duke lacrosse players face rape and kidnap charges
 

By TIM WHITMIRE, Associated Press Writer
April 18, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- Two Duke University lacrosse players were arrested early Tuesday on charges of raping and kidnapping a stripper hired to dance at an off-campus party, and the district attorney said he hopes to charge a third person soon.

The indictments, unsealed Tuesday, did not indicate what possible evidence or arguments led the grand jury Monday to indict *** and ***, both 20. District Attorney Mike Nifong would not discuss the evidence.

Read the article here.

2 Duke lacrosse players face rape and kidnap charges

Since some are just throwing around the whole "Black vs. White crime statistics" thing....and then getting bitched at for being ignorant and unimformed, I thought I would do some research, because I am bored, to back up the statements.

From the US Justice Department: Bureau of Justice Statistics Publications:

(This can be found on the internet. It is long and takes time to review all the material.)

Each year, some 1.2 million violent crimes involving blacks and whites occur nationwide. In fully 90 percent of those cases, according to U.S. Justice Department figures, the perpetrators are black and the victims are white. Violent white felons choose black victims for fewer than 3 percent of their attacks, whereas violent black felons choose white victims about 56 percent of the time. Statistically, the "average" African American is an astonishing 56 times more likely to attack a white than vice versa. In one recent year, approximately 100 black women were raped by white men; the corresponding number of white women raped by black men was over 20,000.

These are just a few things that I found. Take it or leave it. I come from the school of thought that "facts don't lie."

*applause*

:)

So, a fact as is reported is so wrong?

Give Yourself a rest. Statistics were shown. So now Yours are more accurate?:confused: Do You have any?

Thanks for not being Bias.:confused:

stop looking into things that aren't there [edit].

Al Sharpton is on the O'Reilly Factor right now........should be interesting.

Silence from the peanut gallery after mccallens showing of facts? No suprise. When Blacks are only 13% of the population but commit over 40% of the violent crimes, it is reasonable to say that a good bit of it would be on whites.

Sharptons a fool, I'm going out on a limb here, but he'll say something about race.

Did you actually read the reports yourself or are these statistics an interpretation from another source? New Nation or American Renaissance maybe?

Was Tom Earp supposed to be responding to my post?

For a number of reasons. LOL.

Don't jump out on a limb with this one. :)

Here is a link to the 2004 "Persons Arrested" report from the FBI (.pdf). Personally, I'd rather look at the numbers themselves than consider reports from organizations with questionable motives.

According to the FBI, in 2004:

Of all arrestees for violent crimes, 60.4% were white, 28.5% were black, and the remaining 2.5% were of other races.

For all arrests, 70.5% of arrestees were white, 27.1% were black, and 2.4% were other races.

As a side note, 76.2% of arrestees were male and 82.2% of arrestees for violent crimes were male.

Wait, there's something missing there...that's only 91.4%

What happened to the other 8.6%?

I think the stats got a bit misquoted- the direct quote is..

"A review of the 2004 arrest data
by race indicated that 70.5 percent of
arrestees were white, 27.1 percent were
black, and 2.4 percent were of other races
(American Indian or Alaskan Native
and Asian or Pacific Islander). Of all
arrestees for violent crimes, 60.5 percent
were white, 37.2 percent were black,
and the remainder were of other races."

40% black?

and what, 13-15% of the United States...

hmmm..

is that not what I said earlier?

No, it isn't. It is what I said.

Wake me when everyone finishes cutting and pasting statistics.

To be fair, are hispanics considered white or black? It's rare that I've seen a government statistical report that doesn't account for hispanics seperately. I'm guessing that they're just considered "not black"?

Considering that latinos/mexicans are such a substantial part of our population (and prison population), this FBI report is quetsionable as far as its usefulness in determining exactly how many whites versus blacks are behind bars (unless you are going to argue that latinos and whites are the same for the purposes of racial statistic gathering).

Many racial categorizations for Hispanics have two defining categories: Hispanic non-white and Hispanic non-black

What you have highlighted in your post is one of the major concerns of crime incident, arrest, and incarceration data broken down by demographics. However, even with the new immigration and the fact that many Hispanics can also be black (or white), black males comprise a larger (and disproportionate) % of incarcerated persons as compared to white males. Much of this has to do with the war on crack cocaine and gun violence.

What point are you trying to make?

It also has to do with racial profiling. The statistics don't indicate and the media doesn't cover the fact that racial profiling goes on in this country. People still get stopped for Driving While Black, or in some cases Standing Outside Your Apartment Smoking a Cigarette While Black and Wearing a Hoodie.

Why are we not calling many hispanics what they really are -- native Americans..

That's at least true for those of Aztec descent.

Because they are mixed, I though, was the reason.

I had Mexican friend in HS and he was pretty happy with being a "half-breed" (his term).

Not to sound too hippy-ish, but can't we all be people?

In 6th grade the choices on our test were:

White
African - American
Hispanic (non-Black)
Hispanic
Hispanic (non-White)
Native American
Eastern Asian
Other Asian
Alaskan Native/Pacific Islander

Not sure why those last two were together


Anyway, here is my question, based on the above responses....couldn't some one who identified as Hispanic check all three responses?

Lets be honest about profiling. It exists for a reason, and it works. When there is a serial killer on the loose, they look for a white male. If people have been getting mugged in a shady part of town, you're not often gonna waste your time looking for white teens who might be doing it. If the terror level is very high, it isn't very logical to stop someone who looks like me. Sure, its overplayed and abused, but we need profiling.

You know I don't know what gang I would join if I had to go to jail. Has anyone else given this some thought? And I mean if you couldn't kill yourself or become a fugitive and you can't get solitary or be thrown into the sweat box or whatever they always talk about. You have to pick one gang.

I saw that show Oz the other day and my roommate and I made a pact to help each other escape the country if we ever had to spend time in a federal penitentiary. Plus on Prison Break they make dudes hold onto your pocket and the shower scene in American History X had me crying.

-Rudey

Maybe you need to speak with those particular Hispanics and ask if they've pushed to be called "Native American."

Hispanic is a vast category and many people fail to realize that it encompasses black, white, Native American, and so forth. Many Hispanics also fail to realize (or acknowledge) this, despite the fact that many Latin American countries are separated by skin color and hair texture.

((((What is this thread about, again?))))

That's the point.

When black male celebrities and young black males without prior arrests get pulled over for driving new cars in white neighborhoods, it is clear that criminological profiling is rarely applied as it was conceptualized.

The pursuit of serial killers and terrorists (and white collar criminals, for that matter) happens much less often than the pursuit of "street criminals."

No.

Humans have created racial categories just like we have created other categories. But, feel free to revoke your categorized life and live in a tree for the rest of your existence. ;)

Well I don't know. I think the driving while black thing, in everyday situations, is pretty bad. However, the whole black celeb thing can get a little dicey. I mean, in my situation (from Atlanta), think about the decisions the police have to make. I agree that an ordinary black guy driving home getting pulled over is probably a bad use of racial profiling. But in town, where you have a lot of shady things going on involving rappers and such, I think the scrutiny is warranted. It depends on the situation, for example my neighborhood really doesnt have any black families, so someone driving through in a tinted window car with rims would raise eyebrows. I'm not saying they should get pulled over just for it, but I understand the suspicion behind it in certain situations.

Yeah.

Because you prefer ignorance to fact?

Because I can smell laypersons with newly found "facts" a mile away.

How ridiculous that I post compiled facts into my own report and then someone tries to downplay them by creating some notion that I found them from some non-credible source. I don't know how the US Justice Department fits into that category.

So, What does all of The BS posted have anything to do with the subject of the Original Thought on this post?

Actually, nothing!:rolleyes:

Dunno Tom, but now the stripper is claiming that one of the lacrosse players drugged her drink at the party. This keeps getting better and better. Why wait for a month to pass?

And now I can smell ignorance.
It smells like poo.

Oh I'm sure the justice departments "facts" don't work for you because they have always been just a bunch of racist whiteys. That's the story the stripper is trying to play off on too.

You have such an active imagination, which only supports my points.