So either the police were incompetant, or they had instructions to get a positive I.D. no matter what...

That's what I gather from this.

pre-judical...i just looked at that word. They tried to beat the judge to his job, it seems.


I would have just called them "weak minded"

Man, they screwed this one up.

Or the positive I.D. was being set-up so it would be invalidated and later thrown out of consideration. Wish we could've had a candid camera behind the scenes to know the truth.

I hope and pray that these young men will be given fair consideration and their innocence or guilt will be proven.

Proof and fair consideration are the key elements here!

It really sounds like incompitence on many facets here.

Set a line up, show similar persons or use pictures the same way.

If there are recorded information with time lines then there is a paper trail. If there is a paper trail, then there is no proof of said crime.

This DA is nothing but a Wanna Be and is doing a horrendous job pf Investigation!

He is making these Young man look bad in the Press and All Media with out proof. He is having this case so judged there. If they did it, then prosecute it where it belongs!

On top of that I think its kind of ironic that while the stripper hasn't been touched by the media, these kids have been drawn, quartered, hanged by the media, Duke, and NAACP.

On top of that the kid is accused of breaking a previous probation and is facing trial for that.

I really hope that if the stripper is found to be lying she goes to jail for the rest of her natural life.

Seems to me she looks less and less credible every day. I mean, didn't she pretty much guarantee that she was absolutely positive that the guys she picked out raped her? And then we find out that Seligmann has a solid time line of confirmed events that place him everywhere but the house during the alleged "rape."

I agree with you....I think something should happen to her if it is found that she lied. She ruined alot of things for alot of people.

As a North Carolinian whose parents both went to Duke, and whose boyfriend goes there now- I'm so sick of this story! If it wasn't Duke, would it even be in the news? And I know that sounds awful, but tell me how many rape cases go unspoke of? I understand what's at stake here and I get that, but you mean to tell me other athletes at other schools haven't raped a girl? And by NO means am I saying that I think they did, but I'm just saying- this kind of thing happens. And it's SICK. And it's SAD. But ruining/tainting these boy's lives until the justice is served to either side has just gotten ridiculous... and please don't yell at me for being tired of this story, I'm just sick if it being all over every last headline as I watch it go in circles.

The race issue has put it into the headlines as far as i'm concerned. When the scandals occured at Colorado recently involving the football team and recruiting....it didn't get near the attention....and it had alot to do with sexual misconduct and harassment.

I was tired of this story weeks ago.

I get tired of hearing about such things very quickly, though. Whenever there are "high profile" cases that receive a lot of media attention, I'm like "okay...can we just get the investigation and/or trial going already so we can move on."

Maybe you just missed where some of the media has touched the stripper.

Well, yeah, if she is lying then that is a criminal offense. I don't know how much prison time she would get but be she better think of relocating.

I think the only lessons you can really take from this is:

1) Don't invite strippers, hookers, or escorts to your wild parties without realizing there is a risk involved.

2) If you are a stripper, hooker, or escort don't go to wild parties with dudes without realizing there is a risk involved.

-Rudey

Trial by News Media and wanting a Political Career!

I hope as said in the Media that the stripper has a history of other problems. Granted, one of the accussed Duke Dudes did also, but lets see where it comes out in the wash!

I hope this DA Jerk gets his!:mad:

Yeah, pretty much.

A question for someone who is more worldly than I am:

Don't strippers normally travel with a bodyguard when they make "housecalls"?

Some exotic dancer companies have chaperones for the dancers.

That could be based on the policies and practices of the company, whether the dancer requested a bodyguard, and/or if the company or the dancer foresaw a need for protection.

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What are you talking about?!? You have no idea what you're talking about at all.

They always have them...on television LOL :D

-Rudey

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Everytime we've had strippers at a party they have had guards-usually packing some heat.

Yeah, everytime we have hired strippers there have always been bouncers.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/spor...=1&oref=slogin

Duke Lacrosse Accuser Made Previous Report

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- The woman who says she was raped by three members of Duke's lacrosse team also told police 10 years ago she was raped by three men, filing a 1996 complaint claiming she had been assaulted three years earlier when she was 14.

Authorities in nearby Granville County said Thursday that none of the men named in the decade-old report were ever charged with sexual assault there, but they didn't have details why.

-Rudey

that is an interesting twist

Apparently her dad claimed today that the Duke lacrosse team is as bad as the KKK.

In other news, some moron at NC Central said that the player should be convicted whether they are guilty or not to attone for past injustices against blacks.

The New Black Panther Party is coming to Duke.


Michael Biesecker, Staff Writer
DURHAM - The national chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense says his group intends to march at Duke University on Monday to "deal directly" with lacrosse players about charges of rape of an escort service dancer at a team party.
Duke's campus police are coordinating with the Durham Police Department to prepare for the black-separatist group, which has a reputation for coming to its protests armed.

Malik Zulu Shabazz, a Washington lawyer who is the leader of the New Panthers, said he will be in Durham to rally with local black leaders and monitor progress of the criminal case against Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann, the two students charged with raping and kidnapping the dancer.

"We are conducting an independent investigation, and we intend to enter the campus and interview lacrosse players," Shabazz said Thursday. "We seek to ensure an adequate, strong and vigorous prosecution."

Duke is a private institution, and its campus is private property. Shabazz said he has not sought permission to enter but that his group has "received no word that we are not welcome."

John Burness, Duke's vice president for public affairs and community relations, said Thursday that the university will allow a controlled march on campus, as long as the New Black Panthers follow specific rules.

"As an institution we support free speech, and we will treat them like any other group," Burness said. "But we do not permit weapons. We will take necessary steps to keep the campus safe."

One of the key tenets of the New Black Panthers is owning firearms and knowing how to use them, according to the Anti-Defamation League, a national Jewish group that has monitored Shabazz and his followers for years.

"They are a racist and anti-Semitic group," said Myrna Shinbaum, a spokesperson for the New York-based league. "These guys come armed. They carry shotguns to demonstrations. The authorities down there should know this."

Asked whether his followers will be armed when they come to Duke, Shabazz chuckled and said, "I don't know if I can comment on that."

A flier distributed by the group this week displays photos of Finnerty and Seligmann and calls for those who have "had enough of disrespect and racism from Duke" to assemble at the front gates of the university's West Campus at 10 a.m.

"We as black men cannot sit idly by and allow white men to rape black women, regardless of what our sister (who by nature is a queen and a divine black woman) was doing," Shabazz is quoted as saying in a media release announcing the event.

In a telephone interview Thursday, Shabazz said he and several local black leaders will meet with Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong about the case Monday. Nifong did not return a message late Thursday seeking to confirm that a meeting is planned.

A "town hall" meeting is also planned at 6 p.m. Monday at St. Joseph's African Methodist Episcopal Church on Fayetteville Street. Shabazz is set to be the keynote speaker. The Rev. Philip R. Cousin Jr., the minister of the church and a Durham County commissioner, did not return calls about the event. Representatives of the NAACP and the Nation of Islam are also expected to attend.

New Panthers' origin

The New Black Panthers is listed as a racist hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization more often cited for its efforts to monitor the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis and other white supremacists. The Panthers is also disavowed by the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation, named for the activist who helped found the original Black Panther Party in 1966.

According to the Anti-Defamation League, the New Panthers are a black separatist militia founded in 1990 by Khallid Muhammad, who was removed from a top leadership post at the Nation of Islam after Louis Farrakhan reportedly found his statements against Jews, Catholics and homosexuals too radical.

Shabazz became the group's leader in 2001, after Muhammad's death. He has drawn media headlines in recent years for claiming that Jews were evacuated from the World Trade Center before the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and voicing support for Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called "20th hijacker" who was found eligible for the death penalty this month for his role in the Sept. 11 plot.

Shabazz, who said the group's current membership numbers in the "low thousands," backed away from claims published in a Durham newspaper Thursday that the New Black Panthers are providing security for the dancer and her family after she received death threats.

The accuser's mother told The News & Observer on Thursday that Panthers came by the family's house Wednesday and offered their protection, but the family declined.


http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/433625.html

This is completely out of control.

This kind of shit pisses me off to no end.

"I can't comment on whether we will bring weapons on CAMPUS."

....Fucking ignorant piece of shit should be hanged.

Is NC Central accredited? Someone should look into that.

On a more serious note, it's not totally amazing to me that people feel this way. I just have a tough time understanding how a person who is in college, mostly on the public's money (if it's a public school, that is a fact) can claim that they are/were oppressed -- clearly, the oppression was not enough to keep them out of higher education and offer them an opportunity to become successful in life and to have a career.

Someone has to be harboring a hell of a lot of anger to even suggest that some white kids (who may be innocent) essentially be lynched in order to atone for the sins of their grandfathers.

Injustice and Racism seems to not be just the White Race that some so profess.:(

If they come on a Campus and are armed, it could turn into an all out confrontation for sure. It is totally irresponsible for this kind of action from anyone!:mad:

Yes.

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( I had to do that! )

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You win..

No, I changed my mind.

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Don't make me call Shazzam
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Its business school is not accredited but I'm sure it's lovely.

-Rudey

Even though I don't have an MBA, and will never get one, I'm becoming the biggest B-school snob ever.

Schools like that are what brings down the average starting income of a B-school graduate.

Schools like what? Their lack of accreditation for the past few months, due to deadline issues, impacts their graduates and not the average starting income of a B-school graduate. :rolleyes:

http://www.businessweek.com/bschools...60124_8628.htm

Schools that are unaccredited. They send out a ton of people who expect six-figure salaries because they have this degree, and they're not as qualified as someone who came from a HBS or Wharton or Kellogg. Not all MBAs are created equal. It happens to some extent in my field (architecture) as well.