You can say that you're not racist, but you are. Really. Why should the changes be slow? Are you waiting to rise again or something? Either way, it's perplexing to see how backasswards people can be. That's why you lost the war. I'll ease up, eventually. Okay, I have to get back to class. Any other trolls need feeding?

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Rudey, I have not idea what kind of Tea this is, but this is one of the most inane threads I have read lately!:rolleyes:

Everyone is going to be racist in some form or another. Dont BS anyone and say Your not!:eek:

If anyone says so, then basically they are not telling the truth!

Some of Us try to be better about it than others. If the others have their thoughts, no one will change them! Easy and simple!

Sounds like someone needs to re-read The Tale of Peter Rabbit.

I'm saying it has to be slow, because that's how most good, permanent changes are made. You ease into it. My chapter did our part, we felt we did what was good and right. But it made national news. It was a nightmare for us, because we're just a bunch of 18 to 21-year-old girls pledging a black girl, big whoop. At least that's how it was to me. But it was a big deal to a lot of people outside of my chapter. We had CNN on our lawn. Dealing with the aftermath was the hard part.

I'm not saying that changes aren't happening -- they are. There are more multicultural GLOs popping up all over the South, and more and more NPC and NIC chapters are integrating, and I think that's what needs to happen. But you simply can't force it, is all I'm trying to say.

I deeply resent anyone calling me racist. And Tom Earp is right -- everyone, absolutely everyone on this planet, stereotypes.

I'm saying that the popular rap and R&B music of today glorifies a ghetto culture, but black does not equal ghetto.

What I'm saying is that the opportunity to even be able to stereotype/discriminate on the basis of race is hardly ever presented in the South. I'm sure that if more minorities were going through NPC/NIC Rush, more integration would happen. But there's just very few doing it in the first place, and the core of that issue is: are they happy in NPHC or multicultural orgs or are they too scared to even try? I don't know.

AHAHAHAH

I love this chick man. First she has an orgasm over the internet, now this.

Muah
:)

As was mentioned earlier in the thread, fraternities and sororities in the south display and showcase the tops of Southern society, people who have been at the top for quite some time. Way before the abolishment of slavery. Old money. That's what fraternities and sororities are in the south. For the most part, have you ever met an African-American that was old money? That is to say, rich before the 1900's? Have their parents been involved in southern white fraternities since then? I would assume they had not. This is what they lack to get into southern fraternities. It is not a question of integration, it is a question of status.

So in other words if Scarlett Johannson or Bill Gates' daughter was going through rush she wouldn't get a bid either? Because they have new money and new money is poo tinkey?

Muah right back to ya. I'm not sure if coming back on GC was good or bad. Probably both.

And for the record, I don't think I could have an orgasm in my cubicle.

They'd get a bid, just not to Old Row, lol. What a bunch of hoo hockey.

From what I can tell, most black people here are involved in some way with popular black culture. I don't know that much about the group, because it is pretty segregated here. I have some friends from class and I know some guys on the football team, and while I like them, they wouldn't fit in our fraternity, and if I honestly asked them to rush, they'd probably laugh hysterically. That is common everywhere in the south. I've always had black friends, but its always been pretty segregated by choice on both sides it seems. Its not like I have black friends being like "hey man, let me come to your party," and I'm having to tell them no. Is it that difficult for people on this board to understand that they're probably not interested in 80's rock, Johnny Cash, hunting and fishing, and The Masters?

Well, what if an 18-year-old Tiger Woods walked in and said he wanted to pledge? What if a young black man whose parents are the Cosbys walks in and wants to pledge? What then? That's what my sorority was faced with in a way, and I think we made the right choice.

Do you shampoo your hair with herbal essence?

Rudey wants you to post a picture

No, it isn't. I'm as white as it gets and I'm not interested in any of those things and am morally opposed to at least three of them. However, I don't think that's the point.

i posted a pic a while back in that thread where people were posting their pictures. you know, that one.

Oh. :(

Do you speak with a southern accent?

Ask Geekypenguin. I say I don't, but she would probably say otherwise. I do say "y'all" and "fixin' to."

But I wasn't kidding, I really did post a pic in that thread. just search for it.

Who do you think is more racist? Shinerbock or Ilikehazing?

I say Shinerbock

Bill Gates:
On October 28, 1955, shortly after 9:00 p.m., William Henry Gates III was born. He was born into a family with a rich history in business, politics, and community service. His great-grandfather had been a state legislator and mayor, his grandfather was the vice president of a national bank, and his father was a prominent lawyer. [Wallace, 1992, p. 8-9].

Scarlett Johannson:
I don't know for sure, but I bet she didn't come from a poor background. Her grandfather is relatively famous and her dad is an architect (I have no idea how great).

-Rudey

I don't know.

Ilikehazing's references to class and old money just really wants to make me peg him as Alabama Old Row. Perhaps Ole Miss.

So I'd like to know what I have said racist? Would you please enlighten me? Racist is just another term for someone who has won an argument with a liberal.

Way to use a cliché to attempt to prove your point.

Edited because of redundancy.

I'm not sure if it's a cliche, i think its a quote from someone but sure. It doesn't really matter if it's a cliche, correct?

She has a little bit of an accent, but the cute kind, not the redneck kind. She is also smoking hot and I am proud to call her my sister. :D

33girl, if I offended you I apologize. It seems that you are pretty angry with me or maybe just had a bad day and I read it wroong. If you are upset feel free to send me an email and I am sure we can scratch that itch.All I said was how I appreciated my husband as a Southerner and this was removed. Rudy did this offend you? Was your comment really necessary? To the moderators who erased it, did it offend you? As a human being I am offended by racism and as a Southerner I am offended by how you judge us without knowing us.

did you all get beat up in elementary and middle school? You all take greek life too serious and probably still have your ritual and pledge manuals memorized. Go get laid.

It was the "no moose, no horse, ill-mannered northern speech" that was the quote I was referring to. I didn't see the original post, but that quote was ample. I have no idea how or why the original post was removed or who did so.

I'm glad you love your hubby...although I'm not quite sure about the "scratch that itch" offer. :eek:

That's hot.

Well, if i am the most "racist" on this board, that speaks to the credibility of this board, as I have said nothing which is truly that. To the Valk person, sorry you don't agree. It is not racism, as you would probably not get a bid either. We don't want a diverse group of people, we want an elite group of people. I know many in northern fraternities would consider the south as a shoeless, clueless place, but I think those would be mistaken. Some of the best chapters in the country are in the south, where should I start...SAE, Sigma Nu, Theta Chi, Phi Tau, KA, etc... In researching this, you would find many prominant greek alumni who come from these "backwards" places....(try hmmmm...congress). Several of the country's wealthiest areas are also below the Mason, which I will be glad to discuss should that become a point of contention. The fact is, while many whine about the south being ignorant and "shoeless" (or whatever the insult is these days...)....We'll stick to our staples of Cole Haan and Allen Edmonds, although our lack of k-swiss will probably leave us out of whats cool.

Shinerbock, I see that you are pretty new here, and you may not realize that this is ground that has been plowed repeatedly -- perhaps to the point it's not fertile anymore.

I feel sure you did not say anything that you intended as racist, nor do I question your intent. The problem with any Internet communication is that the reader sees only the words actually typed without voice inflection or any other context (including knowledge of you), so while I don't think you intended any racism, I also think that others could read what you wrote and reasonably infer some racism.

The reality is that this is a topic that taps into a lot of underlying and deep feelings for everybody, regardless of what "side" they are on -- sensitivity (to be clear, I do not mean oversensitivity) to racism in all of its forms, direct and subtle, and sensitivity to an anti-Southern bias.

Bottom line is it helps to stay clear of generalizations -- whether of "popular black culture" (which can mean lots of different things to lots of different people) or of Southern Greek life, your description of which really doesn't match what one would find at lots of top schools in the South.

I suppose you're right. As a result of your (and others') political-correctness, entire academic departments at many schools, that focus on culture, will be shutting down this morning. Additionally, pollsters and demographic experts across the country have decided to abandon their jobs as they really have no validity and the phrases "Pop music" and "Pop culture" will be erased from our vocabulary.

People (often white people) consistently call others racist on this board when it is not the case, and through this "Boy who cries wolf" mentality, reduce racism to nothing more than a cliche.

-Rudey

No. She's couture.

-Rudey

My political correctness? He don't know me very well, do he?

I never recommend political correctness. But I do recommend precision with language when there is a reasonable chance that one might not be clearly understood. like on an Internet forum. If someone is going to be ticked by what you said, at least do your best to make sure they're ticked by something you meant to say.

And he made a comment on culture, which he meant. Anyone making a claim of racism needs to explain themselves, otherwise you sound like you're blaming the rape victim for how she dressed.

-Rudey

K-Swiss, lollers.

Ummm...WHAT?

Yes, he meant what he said, but not everyone understood what he meant.

Granted, there may always be someone determined to misconstrue anything any one of us says. But clear writing at least helps minimize that. That's all I'm advocating: clear writing, not politically correct writing.

To which I was referring.

Alright, I'll give you the K-swiss...but wtf is "lollers"??