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Re-read what I wrote. :) Many fraternities and sororities have religious symbols or history. None of those orgs you listed are religious orgs. None of them, to my knowledge say you can't eat pork or drive a car on Saturdays, and all of them are SOCIAL fraternities and sororities.

This is quite different from this sorority. There's nothing wrong with that. More power to them.

-Rudey

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Originally posted by Alpha Chi Emily
Maybe she's referring to AEPhi, AEPi and SDT?

SDT has a partnership with Hillel. Just as SDT and AEPhi are often considered to be historically Jewish. In fact, you really could call a lot of other NPC sororities "historically Christian"

My boyfriend's mom was a member of a nationally large NPC sorority (not saying which one) in the early 1970s at a large northern university and they absolutely refused to initiate a Jewish girl. They didn't know she was Jewish when they gave her the bid, and their reasoning for denying her initiation was that she couldn't partake in a ritual with Christian roots.

BF's momma feels bad about it now, of course, but back then she said that everyone just accepted it because their sorority was "CHRISTIAN based."

Obviously I'm not a member of a sorority with ties to the Jewish faith, but I can imagine how if some NPC rituals invoke Christian or Jewish religious imagery that the ladies of GGX would want to form a ritual that left it out or invoked some of their own religious imagery. If the majority of their time spent in the sorority is dedicated to religious purposes (prayer, study, etc), then it's a religious group. From what I've seen so far, they seem like most of their time will be spent in activities that are not really religious just like any other social sorority. That's why I personally don't see them as a religious group. But of course, you're free to disagree :)

There is a difference between being based on Christian principles and Christian-based. The latter, imo, implies a religious organization.

In DST our Christian principles are generally recognized values that when established were values that a Christian (or anyone of good moral character for that matter) would follow. Dr. Collin's daughter must have felt okay with principles, otherwise she would not have sought membership in the first place.

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Originally posted by ladygreek
Dr. Collin's daughter must have felt okay with principles, otherwise she would not have sought membership in the first place.

Which adds to the curiosity about this new sorority.

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Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Which adds to the curiosity about this new sorority.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by ladygreek
There is a difference between being based on Christian principles and Christian-based. The latter, imo, implies a religious organization.

There is also, sadly enough, a difference between being based on or promoting Christian values and being limited to Christian membership, which is what many GLOs were in years past. That limitation rarely had anything to do with furthering Christian principles but was more of a "keeping to our own kind" mentality.

I'm disturbed that someone said jewish Greek organizations are "not religious." The AEPi chapter at both the school I used to attend and the one I currently attend are encouraged to attend Friday night Shabbas services, as regularly coordinate events in conjunction with the Hillel Jewish Stduent Oganizations.

So what qualifies Jewish sororities and fraternities as being "not Jewish"???

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Originally posted by KatyComeTrue
I'm disturbed that someone said jewish Greek organizations are "not religious." The AEPi chapter at both the school I used to attend and the one I currently attend are encouraged to attend Friday night Shabbas services, as regularly coordinate events in conjunction with the Hillel Jewish Stduent Oganizations.

So what qualifies Jewish sororities and fraternities as being "not Jewish"???

Well, he can certainly speak for himself [/understatement], but I think if you read carefully, you'll see that Rudey, who is an AEPi, didn't dispute the Jewish connections of the traditionally-Jewish GLOs. I think he was disputing suggestions that the traditionally-Jewish GLOs were founded to further "Jewish principles" or for primarily religious purposes rather than for primarily social purposes.