Wait a minute shiner, are you saying she is NOT "above genius level IQ"?!?! Step out of your neat little box, twit!

the irony, LOL

and find new jokes, too. i know it's hard when you have barely enough brain cells to breathe.

Just because I say things which offend you, theres no reason to get angry. The fact is, I'm correct. I'm not close minded, I'm just right. I'm not unaware of the big world out there, I've seen it, and I'm still right. The playing field is level. Everyone can go to school. Everyone can get a job. All it takes is hard work. Believe it or not, all people are dealt a tough hand at one time or another. It is apparent that you prefer to wallow in that difficulty, and that you support others who do the same. I'm sorry that you'd rather blame such problems on the big white devil, because the real and usual cause, laziness, is too much for you to bear. So basically, you just proved my point about the black community. People like you are patting the black community on the head and telling them, "Its ok, its not your fault. Just wait, yell loud enough and maybe it'll get fixed." I'm sure that'll be very helpful in the long run.

I really enjoyed your comment regarding how you're "running circles around me." Obviously that came as quite a surprise, seeing as you've yet to make a statement of substance. From reading your posts, I've yet to see a rational argument, nor anything to support one of your arguments.

If being realistic makes me a twit, then by all means, I am. Its very difficult being me, not being blinded by the media or leftist sentiment, but I make do. Its tough though, telling people like yourself the truth, and watching as they make some sort of nonsensical outburst in order to protect their narcissistic sense of self. I'm gonna help you out here, in hopes that we can all catch a break from your "But I am smart! I am!" claims. You are very intelligent. You may be the smartest person on Greekchat, congratulations.

I don't see this in my own personal experience nor in tellings of the first-hand experiences of "minorities." So, I have two questions. First, in short, how do you find that the playing field has been leveled? And, two, how do you account for the shared negative experiences of so many "minorities" in the U.S.? (Do you think people are lying?)

I'm saying that people are led to believe that they are unequal. Can black people go to school? Absolutely. Can they go to college? Without a doubt, and often can get some help in this area. Can they get a job? Of course. Many big Atlanta firms look to hire minorities, and I imagine this is the case everywhere. These are the things that I think make a level playing field.

Now, there are other things that effect minorities. Is the wealth playing field equal? No. Is the parenting playing field equal? No. However, I don't think the government has any role in this area. White people don't cause the wealth difference. Nor do they create the parenting difference.

Maybe I should rephrase like this. I think the personal playing field is uneven. However, individuals can only fix them for themselves.

acutally, you don't offend me so ease off with your delusions of grandeur, lol. i reply because i feel like it and it's somewhat enjoyable to make fun of you. good job, captain obvious.

i do find it ironic that you of all people would critique my posts considering the well of ignorant and foolishness that seems to spout everytime you click reply. but hey, whatever...stupid people never know when they're stupid.

it's in your massively inept excuse for a brain that you would ever think that the field is level. look up the term white privelege. you might actually learn something, i think the author dumbed it down for a 2nd grade reading level. i don't support laziness or lack of hard work, but trying to discuss racial inequalities in america with someone who has no clue what's going on outside of a sheltered little world is like discussing remedial math with a corpse.

i did notice no matter how hard the white kids in my program worked....they alway seem to fare far less than the asian kids. maybe it's because they're just smart enough. using your logic, sounds like a pretty sound concept.

this idiot thinks that institutionalized racism is just a figment of the "silly minorities" imagination.

Ok then, genius, define institutionalized racism. Be specific. Don't just throw out accusations. Lets have an actual debate if you want.

Asian kids are very intelligent. I don't know if they're naturally more intelligent than us, but it seems that way at times. Perhaps they just work that much harder, I don't know.

really? so i guess that explains barring minorities from education and from employment had nothing to do with the wealth difference? gentrication had nothing to do with the wealth difference? jim crow had nothing to do with the wealth difference?

old habits die hard, and 40 years doesn't erase centuries of oppression.

So what you're saying is that limited opportunities then translates into limited opportunities now? All it takes is one generation, one person to decide to break the mold. Happens with white people all the time, and I imagine it happens with black people as well. It still does not explain why black kids from my high school, whose fathers were well educated Delta pilots, decided they'd rather not go to college. But you're right, I'm sure popular black culture had nothing to do with it.

asians have the highest SAT scores in the country. i guess using your logic for an APTITUDE test, yea they're smarter than whites.

Starang, I'm not objecting. They probably are. Theres probably not an asian on earth with math skills as poor as mine.

no, that's not what i'm saying but all of a sudden giving someone a book who has never been able to read, you act like they're all of a sudden going to start spitting shakespeare within a few minutes. things take time, and they don't change over night. it takes WAY more than one generation when you start out with nothing. if that was the case, then there would be more rags to riches stories than we could shake a stick at. and no, it doesn't happen with white people all the time, you just wish it would. because i know a lot of rich white kids who wanted to just waste daddys money and not amount to anythign.

and look at the statistics for minorities in college comparitively to years ago. there's a far higher percentage now than ever before. but it's still got a long way to go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

from jim crow laws, to the chinese exclusion act, ect. the list goes on and on.

you don't get to the top of the mountain in one day.

But what I'm looking for from you, is whether you really think that the white community is actively holding down the black community in our modern society. If not, do you think the leadership of the black community is moving the community in the right direction?

who knows? maybe not as prevalent or as obvious, but like i said old habits die hard and old stereotypes and practices don't go away with just the drop of a hat.

but don't ask me, i'm not the spokesman for anyone.

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I'm confused, my post is not edited (you can see that), and I spelled genius correctly. What exactly are you trying to do, edit my own post?

Anybody can see that shiner is bringing substance to the argument and you are talking out of your ass. Go ahead and call me some names, because you sure as hell don't bring any intelligence to the conversation. Oh I forgot, you're a genuis...right? Must be over my head.

Dayum. Can ya'll take this post to another discussion board? Will the moderator PULEEEEEZ close this thread?

You are correct, they don't just start "spitting shakespeare". That argument would apply if they were born in the 50s 60s and maybe even the 70s. Most kids that go to college and especially high school these days were born in the 80s. That means they can't blame anybody but themselves for personal failures. They attended public schools just like anybody else. Even if they attended a school in a poor neighborhood, the only thing holding them back is peer pressure and personal responsibility. Lots of cases, the fact that they are from a poor neighborhood will help them get things such as admission to a university and scholarships. The "white man" can't be blamed for personal choices kids make when they DECIDE pursue popular black culture (read: 50 cent) instead of having the foresight to make good grades and go to college.

In my personal experience most of the black kids in my public high school (2nd biggest in TX and one of the richest) fell into the same fate. They followed black culture, tried to act "ghetto", some went to jail, others are still hanging out in town selling drugs, others are working low paying jobs with no plans to attend college. I'm not saying there is not exceptions, I am good friends with a black guy that graduated with me that goes to my university. But unfortunately, this is the exception not the norm, at least in my experience. Can their failures be blamed on the "white man" when their parents sent them to a great "blue ribbon" school and when their parents make ~6 figure incomes?? Ofcoarse not, but don't ask them, they will tell you it is. This is the hypocrisy that I often refer to.

actually dimwit....the edit line doesn't come up until after a set amount of time and that was your original spelling prior to you editing. thanks.

you're obviously quite stupid and very uninformed on this subject. stick to something else, idiot. your miniscule personal experience means nothing in the big scheme of things since you yourself benefit from white privelege and thus aren't privy to what minorities in this country have and continue to endure. read the previous posts and get educated. like i said several times, 40 years doesn't erase centuries of oppression and destitution. obviously, you don't have very good reading comprehension

people of color didn't get the same start that whites had, and thus will have an uphill battle in equalizing the playing field.

Your replies are always so predictable, you always start out name-calling when you don't have any counter-argument. Then you convince yourself through your own post that it is us who are ignorant and we must be uninformed.

Maybe you should attempt reading comprehension considering both me and shiner have pointed out to you that it only takes one generation to turn a family from poor to rich. Maybe if you didn't give people a scapegoat with your rhetoric, they may not have a constant 3rd party to blame for their laziness, wrong decisions, etc. Maybe if people didn't have a constant scapegoat, they would actually take on their own responsibility and work their way out of poverty. This is what my dad did when he moved here from Europe before I was born. He worked his way up from having a minimum wage job to being a VP of a large manufacturing company and owning a successful real estate investment business in less than 15 years. He did this because he had no choice, he had nobody to blame for his failures but himself. He picked himself up by the bootstrap and did what he had to for his family to live comfortably. So don't tell me this crap about "it takes many generations" thats an excuse and a load of bullshit.

Are you going to tell me now how uninformed I am?

I don't think I ever changed it, and it is ironic that you of all people here are pointing out errors in spelling. You have the spelling skills of a 10th grader, you don't want me to start pointing them out, because there are multiple errors in each post I've read. But you are a genius, so what do I know?

actually i did counter argue, but you're too slow to catch it. you are ignorant and uninformed, not trying to convince anyone...just the truth. your small little personal experience is irrelevant and useless to the conversation. step it up.

and like i said, twit..it takes WAY more than one generation to change an entire group when said entire group started out with nothing in the first place. are you too slow for that logic? whites had the power, money, and influence and people of color had none of that at the height of the civil rights movement. now you think after 40 some years, everything is supposed to change? i mean seriously, you can't be this stupid.

the number of bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, PHD's, hell even millionaires among people of color has increased and is possibly highest it's ever been. but yet and still, there is a long way to go...and (lemme repeat this again for the slow) it takes WAY more than one generation to turn around millions of people when said millions started off with nothing in comparison to whites.

your little story of triumph means little, because yet and still...he's still an exception even among white people (even those still benefitting from white privelege). so i'd appreciate it if you'd use a bit of common sense and not try and apply your exception to the rule.

actually, you did. you were the one pointing out my spelling errors now and it's funny that you're backpeddling. quit being a bitch, lol. your panties are showing.

Did you read my post? You seem to lack any comprehension, reasoning skills, and even simple logic.

My father is not the only one. My whole family which consisted of many uncles, aunts, etc all moved at the same time. They live all over Texas, New York, etc. Not one of these families is living poor, NOT ONE. They are all either making 6 figures or close to it. They all started with NOTHING, and it has been less than 25 years since they all moved. They also didn't speak a word of English at the time. Please tell me why they can do it in LESS than 1 generation, and a language barrier, and others can't?


PS. Please, paste your replies into a word processor first or something. You can't even spell "privelege" let alone lecture me about it.

are you honestly this stupid? i already said it can be done in a small scale, you moron. i also said doing so for an entire race of people or even equalizing the playing field doesn't happen overnight or even over a generation. we're not talking about one person, two people, a family, ect. we're talking about entire groups of people. use your brain instead of thinking small.

i don't particularly give a shit about your family, so you trying to impress me with their menial accomplishments is falling on deaf ears. my father is a physician, and my mother is an CPA. all immigrated from a 3rd world country. so should i be even consorting with common trailer trash such as yourself? it still doesn't invalidate the fact that people of color were so incredibly disadvantaged (far more so than anyone you know including your father) that it'll take more than one generation to clean up the oppression that white people have done for centuries.

you're obviously not comprehending the american civil rights movement and the impact of of the institutionalized racism that we're still reeling from the effects today.

learn how to spell "genious" first, and then learn about white privilege.

hey, never said i'm a wiz at spelling and i really don't care. you're just reaching, because you're not intelligent enough to present a case with actual facts outside of your little sheltered world. but i am smarter than you.

I feel like I'm arguing with a 8th grader. You say you're smart but your posts speak for themselves. I gotta go, I have company at my "trailer".

Starang21 is evil as hell.

thanks, lol

hey, beautiful

starang21 is writing a new book entitled " Racism 101 for the intellectually uncapable of understanding anything factual". Unfortunately these 2 books are available only to bows&toes and that other fool that spouts nonsense. (it doesn't matter the names though, they're "MINORITIES" in this thread...)

-I bet they don't even know I'm talking about them. According to them, "MINORITIES" are inferior and don't have the capability of reasoning skills.
Anyway, keep up the good work; Strom's dried up bones would be proud. ( FYI, this is an insult. Can you guys keep up with that? You know, because you're "MINORITIES"......

Wow! Must be nice to live in the world in which you live, where opportunities are equally available to EVERYONE no matter the race or socioeconomic status. Maybe one day I can pay a visit!

Shinerbock is going based on what is called the "achievement ideology." Interestingly enough, that ideology is upheld by many whites and those of the higher socioeconomic status. But blacks and those of lower socioeconomic status have believed the same throughout history. Blacks and the working poor did (and often still do) not want to believe that they could potentially fail despite all of their efforts. They also knew that they had to work harder amid structural constraints (for an example of this, read McLeod's "Ain't No Making It" 1995).

Sure there are a lot of people in every race, gender, and social class group that have "made it." But what makes the "isms" still salient is the fact that there remain structural constraints that result in differential rewards even when people have equal investments in human, social and cultural capitals (see Oliver and Shapiro 1995; Massey and Denton 1993; McLeod 1995; Thomas 1993; Thomas and Horton 1995; and Thomas, Herring, and Horton 1994 for more details).

And in reference to shinerbock's "blaming the big white devil," acknowledging structural constraints based on race (class and gender) isn't about blaming "white people." Power differentials are largely in favor of whites and the upperclass in this country but to change the social structure means looking at institutional practices and how we recreate the structure through daily interactions. Blaming white people has never accomplished anything because what's going on exists above and beyond what "white people do." Socially conscious and well-read people of all backgrounds know that.

Paranoia, defensiveness, and anger over feeling blamed also accomplishes nothing (looking at shinerbock).

brains are sexy

Well said my soror:D

I was going to refrain from adding to this but I must put in my 13 cents. No one is calling any one the "big white devil", however the situation is what it is. Unfortunately due to the terrible institution of slavery and an attempt to maintain the status quo, blockades were set up to keep blacks in their place such as a residency requirements to vote. These subterfuges were in place 50 years ago and some are still in place now. The generation of people who fought to overcome these barriers are still alive today. The inability to progress at that time has of course affected the status of their family. I agree that everyone has hardships, no one is denying that, but no one can accurately deny that these events of the past still influence the present.