Have you taken your meds today? ;)

Re: Re: Commit to something, then you will know why
 

Does that qualify as idolatry though? That just sounds like someone who is interested in the larger picture surrounding their org. I know that I'm still interested in Kappa Sig history; I like finding out how my fraternity has changed throughout the years.

I do agree with you though on the pen and paper thing - I wouldn't be upset about someone using a Kappa Sig pen or something like that. My line is drawn at wearing items with Kappa Sigma on it.

I'm currently in-active (in the process of transferring to another university), but I still wear letters. I won't lend them out to anyone though, along with any shirt I have that associates me with a certain group, club, team or whatever. That is purely respect for the organization. Now, if someone was freezing and they needed a sweatshirt, I have tons of clothes the could pick from. My two best friends borrow my clothes all the time, they know better to never take anything with letters on it. They aren't sorority women and they do not attend college, so they don't know the extent of how important they are to most greeks, but they know enough to know that it is something special. Sure, it is just a shirt and wearing a shirt doesn't make you a member, but that is a priviledge of membership and it should be taken with much care.

As for party shirts, I see no problem with a guy wearing them, because the party shirts don't indicate membership as much as they indicate support for the organization. It's mostly block letters that really bother me.

What I don't understand is why girls wear fraternity shirts all the time! I may be some sort of a hypocrit, because I was given a shirt by a fraternity brother with his screen printed letters on it, but it doesn't indicate any sort of membership, it just says that I support the organization... idk. I just hate seeing girls wear their boyfriends block letters or whatever... not only is it tacky, but it's just not right, most organizations don't allow their associate members to wear their letters until they complete the entire new member process and for some girl to just throw on a hoodie one day is wrong in my eyes... I don't know...

I think you should take your own advice.

Congrats. :)

Come on Rashid. That is all you could contribute to this thread? :rolleyes:

Yes, I am protective of my letters/symbols. My orgs. protocol manual demands that I be. We go so far as to say when and where we can and cannot wear them. But there is nothing in there about non-members not touching them or not using an insignia cup, pen, etc.

Another reason is that BGLOs have a big problem with perps. Because items are so attainable (which is why our licensed vendors cannot sell our items over the internet, and all of their merchandise must be pre-approved--but alas that doesn't stop the unlicensed sellers) it is too easy for someone to pretend to be what they aren't.

Lastly, in the BGLO a frat member would not be caught wearing a sorority shirt and vice-versa (except for Sweethearts and that's a whole 'nother discussion, since Sweetheart groups are outlawed by all the NPHC, except the Iotas.)

By the way what are party shirts?

Trust me she is not bothered.

*lightbulb*

Hey son. How ya be?

i'm skraight, momma....just made it in, early night tonite.

Thanks Jocelyn. Then that is something else we do not do in the NPHC. Print shirts with our symbols on them to be given to attendees of an event.

Wow! That's a first. :D

could you guys take the idle/off-topic conversation elsewhere?

it clutters and serves no purpose.

then just ignore it.

it's hard to ignore it when it's right in my face.

then get out of the thread.

then don't click on it.

:)

log off.

Your chastisement goes well with my morning waffles. Thank you.

was that during an up or down while you were pledgi....never mind.

it has also come to my attention that many of these orgs are equal to clubs (no disrespect intended) in their importance in paying dues and remaining on campus.

That being said, I can understand why many of us in the NPHC (BGLOS/MCGLOS/LGLOS) are having difficulty relating with many of the topics listed.

I do apologize if we have offended anyone but you have to understand where we're coming from.

I think you might want to say "some chapters of these orgs."

Believe me, if all NPC & NIC groups and all the chapters in these groups were completely laissez-faire about getting things done none of them would exist. I don't deny there are some slackers whose raison d'etre is having more mixers than parties and anyone else, but they are the exception not the rule. I'm sure there are some BGLO/MCGLO/LGLO chapters that are like that too.

The party shirts that we have aren't given out to non-members. I didn't think any org gave out shirts with letters or symbols to non-members.

My thing is, why would you use someone's fraternity/sorority pen or mug. Are there no others around?

My letters are only to be worn by people who are members of my organization...point blank. That's proper protocol.

I just don't get the pen thing. I always carry Gamma Phi Beta pens in my purse because it's a good way to start a conversation with someone who may also be Greek. If the lady in front of me in line wants to use it to write a check, I don't think my founders will have a beef with that.

The only beer steins I have are ones that my boyfriend's fraternity gave away at a formal. My dad drinks out of them when he is visting. If for whatever bizarre reason one of my neighbors saw and asked my dad if he was a SigEp too, I'm sure he would just explain, "No, but my daughter's boyfriend is."

I have let others use my pen, if they don't have one. I don't have a problem with someone using an item when I am right there. However, from his post, I get the impression that it wasn't a necessity. Using my coffee cup is not a necessity (I have a problem with anyone using one of my special coffee cups--this extends beyond just AKA mug). Again, I don't have a problem with someone using a pen, if they do not have one handy. However, I do not understand the unnecessary use of items with my letters when I am not around. Trust, I'm actually doing them a favor http://www.1-2-3-gaestebuch.de/smilies/217.gif

It doesn't matter; a pen is a pen and a mug is a mug. Period.

I am not talking about wearing letters (apologies if this wasn't directed at me personally), I am talking about using everyday items that have letters on them.

What about shirts that have a listing of all the Greek orgs from that campus? I have a Greek Week shirt that has everybody's letters on it, including the NPHC orgs that are represented on campus.

Thanks for the clarification.

Regular or Belgium? Syrup or fruit toppings? :)

Personally, I would not wear it (although I like that greek unity.) We also have rules about what colors are permissable for are symbols to be used with, as well as in what colors the symbols themselves can be printed.

i'd venture to say.....

side note.

what up, momma.

Okay, now I am chastising you, cuz you know that is not what I meant.

I am sending all of my cyber-children to posting time out until further notice ------------>

:(

i got time's UP, and a whooping.

LOL

Not so much pinned any more but girls were getting laveliered (sp?) all over the place. (and that was just 10 years ago not the 50's)

I don't care about the letters thing, cause our letters were on party shirts and 5k run shirts and philanthropy shirts so, if I see someone who wasn't even greek wearing my letters I don't care. Now the crest on the other hand. For initiated sisters only. As far as I am concerned. (but to each her own)

that was very interesting to note. i had no idea (of course i don't spend lots of time trying to order greek merchandise online)!



and i agree with this...mainly because if someone else is using it and it breaks...i will be upset. at least if i break it, i have no one else to be mad at! hehehe...and my special coffee mug has this lattice design with pastel colored hearts and in no way reflects phi mu.

as far as wearing letters/pin of a fraternity- as a woman who is extremely independent, i wore my ex-bf's letters. it was a very sweet gesture on his part that he gave them to me. once he gave them to me, he invited a bunch of his brothers into the room and they all hugged me and congratulated me because they knew it was important to my ex-bf. it was something that was also a big deal on our campus.

i guess i have always considered things like pens, pencils, cups, etc. to be more like tools for PR. heck, even medications have pens imprinted with their names, and it is all for the idea of spreading the word. it is my understanding (although i don't have confirmation) that when npc orgs are presenting at a campus, they give away things like pens and pencils.

either way, i still firmly believe that we as greeks have bigger fish to fry.

Havent Times have changed?

Money being a Main Cost Factor?

But if a Favor was/is given out then, if there are Letters on it, what are the reciepents supposed to do with them? Toss into the closet for trash?

I dont really understand this whole post. It is becoming outrageous on Letters/Combo Letters or an Combo Event with two sets of Letters on it.

If I saw a Male or Female with Letters on from some other than Thier GLO, is it a sign of respect? Is it Advertising Mine/Your GLO?

Get over some of your inihibetions and feel good that they are wearing them. What if no one gave a damn?

No Party, no good time and no recognition.

Choose wisely how it is supposed to be used.;)