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amanda6035 08-30-2005 10:41 AM

Actually I do.

For those of you who dont but wish you did, www.adoptaplatoon.org

When I have loved ones overseas, I support them. If I'm lucky enough that my friends arent overseas, I adopt a soldier through that organization and send him/her care packages, letters, emails etc.

Rudey 08-30-2005 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
Can we stop saying "I support the troops" as a point of argumentation?

The truth is, 99.9% of us do not, in any real way, 'support' the troops in a real sense of 'doing something to ameliorate their situation' - what people instead mean is something along the lines of "I have expressed approval, sympathy, respect, or some other positive adjective, along with hopes for the safety and survival, for our troops overseas. I did this by purchasing a 3-dollar ribbon for my car, and this money did not in any way go toward 'supporting' the troops. I'm such a douche that I didn't even get a sticker, I got a magnet, I didn't want it to fuck up the paint on my 1994 Corsica."

Regardless of your position on the war, the reasons behind occupation, the actual status of the troops on the ground or your reasons or reactions to the actions and well-being of these troops, in ALMOST EVERY CASE you are not actually providing 'support' for the troops in any way. It is NOT a point to include in argumentation.

(Sorry.)

I've been saying this since before the Iraq war. It's such a joke whether it's said on Greekchat, in daily life, or by annoying moronic protesters.

This woman is a nutjob. Her words are at the minimum those of a loon job conspiracy theorist and at the maximum someone who is ignorant and stupid. Let's stop treating her with kid gloves.

-Rudey

moe.ron 08-30-2005 11:29 AM

Another point, there is no first amendment protection in this forums. As long as John let you post, you are allowed to do so.

RACooper 08-30-2005 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
Can we stop saying "I support the troops" as a point of argumentation?

The truth is, 99.9% of us do not, in any real way, 'support' the troops in a real sense of 'doing something to ameliorate their situation' - what people instead mean is something along the lines of "I have expressed approval, sympathy, respect, or some other positive adjective, along with hopes for the safety and survival, for our troops overseas. I did this by purchasing a 3-dollar ribbon for my car, and this money did not in any way go toward 'supporting' the troops. I'm such a douche that I didn't even get a sticker, I got a magnet, I didn't want it to fuck up the paint on my 1994 Corsica."

Regardless of your position on the war, the reasons behind occupation, the actual status of the troops on the ground or your reasons or reactions to the actions and well-being of these troops, in ALMOST EVERY CASE you are not actually providing 'support' for the troops in any way. It is NOT a point to include in argumentation.

(Sorry.)

I have to agree... the whole empty statement that many make "I support the troops" is hollow and hypocritical in many cases - amongst supporters of the War in Iraq and the protestors.

While the issue of "supporting the troops" isn't even close in terms of scope or message up here, it does still happen. Most of those who "support the troops" by purchasing a ribbon or some other trinket aren't really supporting the troops, but rather stroking their own ego by making a hollow (and often useless) gesture.

If people really wanted to support the troops there are a number of ways or approaches to take - all more constructive than buying some marketing tool and spouting the same tired refrain.

1- You can directly send your support via care packages, or moral support through letters (or even email or MSN - ah the wonders of technology). The help you give an indivual trooper through this physical and emotional connection is worth a hundred times the cost of sending it... so if any of you have friends serving overseas, drop them a line and talk to them - they need you to be a friend now more than ever.

2- You can get involved politically and work to ensure that soldier's benefits and interests are protected, and advanced. If you think that the troops aren't paid enough; or they aren't getting the medical treatment you think they deserve; or they aren't getting the logistical and material support they need - get involved and let the politicians know.

3- You can support or help the troops when they get home - volunteer to help at a veteran's clinic or hospital... or even just send a care package. You could even simply just be there a friend, someone who will listen and let the soldier talk to someone who will care or understand.

Personally I can say that I support the troops, and I support the War on Terror, but I don't support the War in Iraq (like most Canadians). I have friends (and family) serving in Afghanistan, and I have friends in Iraq, and I support them in the best way that I can - by being a friend
Now obviously I can't personally get involved in the 2nd option I listed when it comes to the US - but I have made an effort to be there as a friend for both those going over and those coming back.

KSigkid 08-30-2005 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
Can we stop saying "I support the troops" as a point of argumentation?

The truth is, 99.9% of us do not, in any real way, 'support' the troops in a real sense of 'doing something to ameliorate their situation' - what people instead mean is something along the lines of "I have expressed approval, sympathy, respect, or some other positive adjective, along with hopes for the safety and survival, for our troops overseas. I did this by purchasing a 3-dollar ribbon for my car, and this money did not in any way go toward 'supporting' the troops. I'm such a douche that I didn't even get a sticker, I got a magnet, I didn't want it to fuck up the paint on my 1994 Corsica."

Regardless of your position on the war, the reasons behind occupation, the actual status of the troops on the ground or your reasons or reactions to the actions and well-being of these troops, in ALMOST EVERY CASE you are not actually providing 'support' for the troops in any way. It is NOT a point to include in argumentation.

(Sorry.)

True - everytime someone starts a post with "I fully support the troops," I cringe a little and wonder just how they're supporting them. A happy thought and a sticker on the car don't necessarily equal support.

It also seems like a way for people to say "I can say whatever I want, as long as I preface it by saying that I support the troops."

Honeykiss1974 08-30-2005 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amanda6035
Actually I do.

For those of you who dont but wish you did, www.adoptaplatoon.org

When I have loved ones overseas, I support them. If I'm lucky enough that my friends arent overseas, I adopt a soldier through that organization and send him/her care packages, letters, emails etc.

www.anysoldier.com is another good one. :)

ETA: Sheehan is just a grieving mother that has allowed herself (and son) to be used to serve a political agenda. While I do feel sorry for her loss she has to realize that her son chose to fight not once, but twice and he died honorably. Let him rest with dignity, not as a side show.

If she wants to protest, etc. FIGHT ON! :p At least do it on your own terms and not let yourself or the memory of your son be exploited .

honeychile 08-30-2005 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RACooper
I have to agree... the whole empty statement that many make "I support the troops" is hollow and hypocritical in many cases - amongst supporters of the War in Iraq and the protestors.

While the issue of "supporting the troops" isn't even close in terms of scope or message up here, it does still happen. Most of those who "support the troops" by purchasing a ribbon or some other trinket aren't really supporting the troops, but rather stroking their own ego by making a hollow (and often useless) gesture.

If people really wanted to support the troops there are a number of ways or approaches to take - all more constructive than buying some marketing tool and spouting the same tired refrain.

1- You can directly send your support via care packages, or moral support through letters (or even email or MSN - ah the wonders of technology). The help you give an indivual trooper through this physical and emotional connection is worth a hundred times the cost of sending it... so if any of you have friends serving overseas, drop them a line and talk to them - they need you to be a friend now more than ever.


Check. I send items to one soldier in particular, and several through the DAR's support of a cruise ship. We purchase phone cards, toiletry items, and treats which can survive the desert heat.

Quote:

2- You can get involved politically and work to ensure that soldier's benefits and interests are protected, and advanced. If you think that the troops aren't paid enough; or they aren't getting the medical treatment you think they deserve; or they aren't getting the logistical and material support they need - get involved and let the politicians know.

Check. Every man in my immediate family is a veteran (for the past 6 generations); I'm on first name basis with my Senators & Congressmen.

Quote:

3- You can support or help the troops when they get home - volunteer to help at a veteran's clinic or hospital... or even just send a care package. You could even simply just be there a friend, someone who will listen and let the soldier talk to someone who will care or understand.
Check. We have parties at the Veteran's Hospital, and my family personally supports the American Legion. Sometimes just listening to someone is a big day for a veteran!

Quote:

Personally I can say that I support the troops, and I support the War on Terror, but I don't support the War in Iraq (like most Canadians). I have friends (and family) serving in Afghanistan, and I have friends in Iraq, and I support them in the best way that I can - by being a friend
Now obviously I can't personally get involved in the 2nd option I listed when it comes to the US - but I have made an effort to be there as a friend for both those going over and those coming back.

KSig RC 08-30-2005 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by honeychile

Check. I send items to one soldier in particular, and several through the DAR's support of a cruise ship. We purchase phone cards, toiletry items, and treats which can survive the desert heat.


Check. Every man in my immediate family is a veteran (for the past 6 generations); I'm on first name basis with my Senators & Congressmen.

[b]
Check. We have parties at the Veteran's Hospital, and my family personally supports the American Legion. Sometimes just listening to someone is a big day for a veteran!


Thanks for this bit of ego-stroking.

Now, my point also extends to you (in a non-personal sense) - in that there's NO ARGUMENTATIVE VALUE in whether you 'support' the troops or not, and I really would like to ban the phrase from the American vernacular. You're one of the few who can actually claim to be 'supporting' the troops in a real-world sense, but this does very little to support your views on Ms. Sheehan or any other topic related to the war, by itself and without context.

My point was meant to draw the discussion here back to the actual topic, and away from pointless and empty arguments over who does and does not 'support the troops' and how this affects their points.

Just so you know, I think "In the post-9/11 world . . . " and every other derivation of that empty ass phrase should be banned too.

Honeykiss1974 09-23-2005 10:59 AM

Not sure of the validity of this, but I just read that Sheehan's other son perished in the floodwaters of New Orleans.

Subject : Bush Braces: 2nd Sheehan Son Drowns In New Orleans

WASHINGTON, DC - According to White House sources, President Bush is bracing for intensified criticism following Monday's report that the body of Tyler Sheehan, son of outspoken anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, was recovered from the receding floodwaters in New Orleans.

Although the White House has not released a statement, a firestorm of controversy is expected to follow the death of the dynamic, well-liked young man, who was working on a levee-upkeep crew while completing the EMT-certification training he needed to become a firefighter.

http://english.ohmynews.com/TALK_BAC...bb_code=309261

KSigkid 09-23-2005 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Not sure of the validity of this, but I just read that Sheehan's other son perished in the floodwaters of New Orleans.

Subject : Bush Braces: 2nd Sheehan Son Drowns In New Orleans

WASHINGTON, DC - According to White House sources, President Bush is bracing for intensified criticism following Monday's report that the body of Tyler Sheehan, son of outspoken anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan, was recovered from the receding floodwaters in New Orleans.

Although the White House has not released a statement, a firestorm of controversy is expected to follow the death of the dynamic, well-liked young man, who was working on a levee-upkeep crew while completing the EMT-certification training he needed to become a firefighter.

http://english.ohmynews.com/TALK_BAC...bb_code=309261

The source for the story was onion.com, so I'm going to say that the story isn't real.

Here's the story from onion.com:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/40764

RACooper 09-23-2005 11:08 AM

:p

I prefer The Onion myself

KSigkid 09-23-2005 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RACooper
:p

I prefer The Onion myself

Over "Oh My News"? That's not much of a contest.

Honeykiss1974 09-23-2005 11:52 AM

Oh crap. They shouldn't joke about death like that.

**insert embarrassed smilie here**

I didn't know the Onion was still around.

AznSAE 09-26-2005 06:07 PM

mrs. sheehan was arrested today.

DeltAlum 09-26-2005 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KSig RC
...there's NO ARGUMENTATIVE VALUE in whether you 'support' the troops or not, and I really would like to ban the phrase from the American vernacular.

Just so you know, I think "In the post-9/11 world . . . " and every other derivation of that empty ass phrase should be banned too.

Yes. And yes.

hoosier 09-26-2005 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AznSAE
mrs. sheehan was arrested today.
Yeah, her "bus trip" and curent D.C. efforts were getting no where (and no coverage), but pictures of her being carried off by the DC police will be shown everywhere.

Hillary shut her down last week, so getting arrested is her handlers' way of pouting and shouting out for media attention.

I predict you'll soon see something similar from the mother of the Aruba victim.

Rudey 09-27-2005 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Yeah, her "bus trip" and curent D.C. efforts were getting no where (and no coverage), but pictures of her being carried off by the DC police will be shown everywhere.

Hillary shut her down last week, so getting arrested is her handlers' way of pouting and shouting out for media attention.

I predict you'll soon see something similar from the mother of the Aruba victim.

People stopped listening after it became obvious she was insane. Her husband left her and she sat there screaming that Israel made America attack Iraq. Nobody wants anything to do with this woman - except for the fringe Americans whose vote doesn't even matter.

-Rudey

dzrose93 09-27-2005 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
www.anysoldier.com is another good one. :)
Had to jump in and say that this is an excellent site, and one that I strongly recommend to anyone who wants to get actively involved in supporting our troops. My family and I have adopted three soldiers from anysoldier.com, and they are all amazing people... and overjoyed to receive correspondence. One of the things that they like most are letters, especially from kids. It really brightens their day. If you or your chapter is looking for a philanthropy project right now, I strongly recommend visiting the website and choosing a soldier for adoption. :)

Tom Earp 09-27-2005 05:51 PM

Sheehan Agenda!
 
I am not really sure just what the hell it is:rolleyes:

Did Bush or anyone else make Her Son Join The US of A Military, I doubt it. Why did He join? Get an education, get away from His Mother?

Did He ask to die, I really doubt it, but what of the many Military Members that We all know who are their from Our GLOs.

They joined for a reason and some will die. It is a forgone conclusion no matter what and I above all hate it and worry about the Men and Women there and am sad when I read about someone dieing and hoping is not one of My own.

Screw Her, I am not impressed. Put Her under Irons for being a subversive!:rolleyes:

hoosier 10-10-2005 10:10 PM

Fascist fishwife Cindy Sheehan fast approaching Minute 17 and sounding loonier by the day: "George and friends have come up with a new enemy whose atrocities also can't be contained to borders and that doesn't wear a national uniform: The Bird Flu."
- Opinion Journal

moe.ron 10-11-2005 04:53 AM

Wohoo
-Opinion Journal

DeltAlum 10-11-2005 09:55 AM

I gotta tell you that anything that uses words like fascist in this kind of content is not far from being fascist itself. Maybe even over the line.

Rudey 10-11-2005 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Fascist fishwife Cindy Sheehan fast approaching Minute 17 and sounding loonier by the day: "George and friends have come up with a new enemy whose atrocities also can't be contained to borders and that doesn't wear a national uniform: The Bird Flu."
- Opinion Journal

She's a loon and it's seriously time for the lefties and moveon.org types to consider paying for her counseling instead of using her.

-Rudey

hoosier 10-11-2005 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
I gotta tell you that anything that uses words like fascist in this kind of content is not far from being fascist itself. Maybe even over the line.
Although my deskside dictionary defines fascism as a "dictatorship of the extreme right", I think the real definition is "private ownership, govt. control."

Altho the uninformed keep putting fascism and nazism in the extreme right, they are actually on the extreme left - in fact the Nazis were the National Socialist Party, and socialism is the direct opposite of conservatism.

Using a word in no way brings you closer to it.

moe.ron 10-11-2005 02:16 PM

Jimmy Carter is the greatest leader this country have ever seen.
-Opinion Journal

The1calledTKE 10-11-2005 02:29 PM

Hillary Clinton would make a great president.
-Opinion Journal

Rudey 10-11-2005 02:50 PM

It's great that the 2 moderators of this forum post lies and fake info and show their bias.

-Rudey

The1calledTKE 10-11-2005 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
It's great that the 2 moderators of this forum post lies and fake info and show their bias.

-Rudey

It is called satire.

Even you knew our "quotes" were not meant to be an actual quote.

Rudey 10-11-2005 03:46 PM

The1calledTKE voted for Bush twice and is a great satirist.

-Opinion Journal

Rudey 10-11-2005 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
It is called satire.

Even you knew our "quotes" were not meant to be an actual quote.

In general satires are funny. Check out the ones I've done on you and Erik Conard for more info.

-Rudey

The1calledTKE 10-11-2005 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
In general satires are funny. Check out the ones I've done on you and Erik Conard for more info.

-Rudey

Yes but our satires did not include anyone from gc. It just mentioned Hillary and Jimmy.

Munchkin03 10-11-2005 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
In general satires are funny. Check out the ones I've done on you and Erik Conard for more info.

-Rudey

Oh man, the Conard one about Devry is classic.

hoosier 10-11-2005 08:20 PM

Where is the satire forum?

moe.ron 10-12-2005 06:26 AM

Thank you for your contribution Rudey.
-Opinion Journal

KillarneyRose 10-12-2005 09:00 AM

Is Mrs. Sheehan still around? (Looking at watch) I think her 15 minutes is just about up.

Rudey 10-12-2005 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by moe.ron
Thank you for your contribution Rudey.
-Opinion Journal

Not for nothing, but in general the Opinion Journal doesn't have one liner convos with people.

-Rudey

hoosier 10-12-2005 11:48 AM

Is there a GC moderator who is conservative or even moderate?

honeychile 10-12-2005 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
Is Mrs. Sheehan still around? (Looking at watch) I think her 15 minutes is just about up.
*pushing the minute hands up a bit*

Yeah, I think they were up about a year ago (or so it would seem!)

hoosier 02-09-2006 10:27 PM

Sheehanoia for Sale
YearlyKos, Markos Moulitsas's annual Angry Left convention, is auctioning off America-hating crackpot Cindy Sheehan. To be precise, you can bid on a "speaking engagement with Cindy Sheehan," with the proceeds going to the Kos con. If you're the winning bidder, "Cindy will come speak to a group of your choice," with the following exception:

Because of the obvious potential for right-wing shenanigans, Cindy retains the right to refuse to speak to groups antithetical to her cause or offensive to her beliefs. If no group can be agreed upon, the winning bidder will receive a full refund.

Of course, if the left were smart, they'd take up a collection to shut her up.


"Used with permission from OpinionJournal.com, a web site from Dow Jones & Company, Inc."

DeltAlum 02-10-2006 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
Is there a GC moderator who is conservative or even moderate?
No, we're all anarchists, and I'm not even sure I know how to spell it.

I am interested in how a woman who has lost a son and is against the war suddenly becomes an American hater.

The woman is a lost cause, but I thought that the right to disagree with something and speak your mind was one of the principles upon which the United States was founded.

And, as difficult as it is to understand, disliking the President or his administrations policies does not equate to hating the country -- or do you consider anyone who isn't comfortable with the present leadership to be American haters?

That's a sad commentary.


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