Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1649876)

^^^ You're right, and it wasn't for me.

I didn't want to attend a school which was hyper-aware of itself and its legacy.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1649882)

Replace "ghetto" with "down for the cause" and I agree with you. But it's different because while some NPHCers wouldn't accept a nonblack person regardless of what that person has to offer, the general sentiment is about whether that person understands and wants to be committed to our emphases and philanthropies.

We GENERALLY don't look for whites who "try to be black" and we GENERALLY don't look for whites who dress a certain way. If they can understand and contribute to our histories and causes, that's evidenced by something more than the exterior. On most campuses, whites do not pursue NPHC orgs but those who do are doing so because they have a reason to believe their contribution is a possiblity beyond being treated like a TOKEN (both inside that chapter and outside of that chapter).



LOL...sometimes it's one of those days. :p You actually did add something, though.

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1649869)

(breathesgelatin) ...I was accepted to Morehouse and did not attend for reasons including it being somewhat of a black bourgeoisie machine.

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1649890)

i wasn't down for the cause.

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1649891)

you know, that was my first thought, but i was going for some similar correlation to "fratty." Though SouthernFratter seems to describe "fratty" as a style of dress, im sure its just as much as behavorial/way of thinking, in particular in a less-than-favorable way.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1649903)

I see what you mean. But SouthernFratter really believes in "fratty" whereas you don't really believe that "ghetto" is a desired quality in blacks or nonblacks.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1649900)

I know. :eek:

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1649909)

^^^^^ the reason

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1649912)

Don't ever let a woman interfere with the frat. :p

haha...I'm glad I caught that I spelled "frat" as "fart" before I hit submit.

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1649918)

but i love Deltas.

:throb:

Originally Posted by tld221 (Post 1649906)

touche my friend. were on the same page.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1649927)

^^^ would let me rock his letters :eek:

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1649952)

whoa now

:wassat:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1649985)

Interesting stuff about Morehouse.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650004)

hijack/

I was waiting for someone to post that. LOL.

That fine specimen of a man is a great news story. :D

But other than being the first white valedictorian, he's the typical Morehouse man. I didn't like the fact that an article said that he "raised the bar." He didn't because he is the typical super-accomplished Morehouse man and isn't the only valedictorian with a 4.0. And of course he isn't the only white man at Morehouse. His being the first white valedictorian is indicative of inclusion on the part of Morehouse and his peers but not indicative of any triumph of whites admist systemic adversity. Race, gender, and other minority groups' firsts are celebrated because of triumph admist structural adversity.

/end hijack

Originally Posted by alum (Post 1650021)

I don't think the raising the bar statement implied that the bar was raised because a Caucasian happens to be the val. The bar was raised because an obviously bright, focused student was recruited to be part of the student body and that this recruit lived up to his potential. PWIs have recruited the best and brightest African-Americans for awhile. It stands to reason that HBCUs would do the same for their non-focus populations.

Originally Posted by alum (Post 1650021)

I don't think the raising the bar statement implied that the bar was raised because a Caucasian happens to be the val. The bar was raised because an obviously bright, focused student was recruited to be part of the student body and that this recruit lived up to his potential. PWIs have recruited the best and brightest African-Americans for awhile. It stands to reason that HBCUs would do the same for their non-focus populations.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650032)

You will rarely find a PWI or other predominantly white institution to praise blacks by saying "the bar was raised." Usually, blacks will be celebrated for excelling and working harder to achieve, what their white counterparts have already achieved, despite the status quo and defying whites' expectations/stereotypes.

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1650024)

but they've overcome so much and have had so much disadvantage in this country. he is one of the "good ones." not like the rest.

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1650024)

and i should punch you in the boob for looking at another man.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650037)

Yeah, no one would've expected a white man to come out on top.

Not taking anything away from this bright (and fine) young man and how hard he worked, of course.



I think I'm insulted right now but I still wuv u.

*****

Minority members in the IFC and NPC...ready...set...go!!!!

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1650040)

:unsure:

i'm jealous.

oh yea, my frat is very diverse. we have 3 filipinos.

Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1650048)

Do you have TFC there?

Wowowee filmed here on Saturday as part of their US Tour. 20,000 Filipinos showed up.

Originally Posted by starang21 (Post 1650049)

does directtv have it? but naw, plus every damn show is "parental advisory"

hell naw.

Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1650051)

Doesn't look like they have it: http://www.abs-cbni.com/programming/tfc/index.html

It's a variety/game show. They even have their own dancers:

http://www.talkstink.com/wp-content/...weedancers.jpg

http://www.talkstink.com/wp-content/...wowoeegals.jpg

I didn't know "Parental Advisory" is still around...?

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1650004)

hijack/

I was waiting for someone to post that. LOL.

That fine specimen of a man is a great news story. :D

But other than being the first white valedictorian, he's the typical Morehouse man. I didn't like the fact that an article said that he "raised the bar." He didn't because he is the typical super-accomplished Morehouse man and isn't the only valedictorian with a 4.0. And of course he isn't the only white man at Morehouse. His being the first white valedictorian is indicative of inclusion on the part of Morehouse and his peers but not indicative of any triumph of whites amidst systemic adversity. Race, gender, and other minority groups' firsts are celebrated because of triumph amidst structural adversity.

/end hijack

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1653465)

Thanks for reminding me that I spelled "amidst" wrong TWICE in that post. Yikes. :eek:

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin (Post 1649860)

I remember the summer I participated in a summer program that was a joint effort between W&L, Spelman, Morehouse, and Berea college. I already had great opinions of all these institutions, but I remember being really shocked at how preppy some of the Morehouse men were. These guys were more preppy than most W&L guys! In fact they could give the guys in the top fraternity at W&L a run for their money in terms of preppy/expensive/classy clothing, wealth, and general personal comportment and class. There were definitely guys like that at W&L too, but not guys that got accepted into the supposed "top" fraternities. I felt like some of the Morehouse guys in the program were probably the preppiest people I'd ever met. I'm sure that many of them were involved in NPHC orgs.

That was a really educational moment for me - I wasn't particularly preppy myself before I went to college - I went to a big redneck high school and wore jeans and tshirts and had even been sort of goth early on in high school. So when I first met "preppy" guys in college, I did indeed assume it was a "white" thing, but it's definitely not. If you think otherwise it's probably based on your own lack of experience.

At W&L every sorority had African American members, but the "top" fraternities did not. Although - the "top" sororities had fewer African American members. They basically took the richest African American girls.

Originally Posted by Wolfman (Post 1653569)

This highlights the ignorance of many whites when it comes to all things "black." As most African Americans collegians know, Morehouse enrolls many students from top Northern prep schools, day schools and private schools from all over America. One major reason they want to go to Morehouse is to enjoy a high quality majority African American educational and social experience, which many have not had in their lives.

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin (Post 1653679)

Let me clarify. I never thought Morehouse wasn't a prestigious school. I just didn't realize how preppy its students were.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 989621)

Whether it is implicit or explicit, the argument can be made that they do.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1653877)

However it does not promote the white culture. Hell my chapter is mostly minorities like myself.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1653877)

It has just happened that most fraternities have been established at predominantly white universities plus the fact that alot of NIC and NPC orgs have a rep for being white only.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1654031)

You have a point about that, my chapter experiences are shaped by the makeup.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1654031)

Alot of NIC fraternities were founded at insitutes of higher education at a time when those of non white descent did not truly have the option of doing so themselves.