Excuse me cause I'm agnostic and don't know much about the bible... but if you believe the bible and you believe that man was made in the image and likeness of god then why do you need modesty?? Isn't the human body beautiful specifically because god made it in his image? So why should people feel that they have to cover it up? And why should women in particular be forced to cover up??

Also, why does the word "submit" always get interpreted to mean submissiveness?? From an outsider's point of view it seems that that term could be up for a lot of interpretation.

Personally, I think a lot of this is simply people's own interpretation of body image and sex roles, as well as a reflection of our society's continuing sexism.
As I look at the Bob Jones administrators, I see that most of them are men, and the few women mostly handle the female student population. I really wonder how much of this has to do with god and how much of it has to do with men attempting to continue the privileges and freedoms they have enjoyed while attempting to limit and control the lives of the female students.

You are correct in that all wives are women and all husbands are men. However, not all women are wives and not all men are husbands.

I should have clarified: "Single women aren't supposed to submit to single men".

Yep. And continuing to brainwash the men into think this is acceptable. Obviously it works, judging from JPAYNE's posts. All the lemmings... maybe they'll fall off the cliff eventually

JPAYNE, guess you've learned a lesson about making absolute statements. You'll get called out on them eventually.

Please, enlighten me on why wives should submit to husbands. Practically. Don't pull unsubstantiated bible verses out of your ass. Don't give me any quotes. Give me reasoning.

BECAUSE YOUR HUSBAND IS YOUR EARTHLY MASTER. Now bow down and make me a sandwich.

Step off, papist :p

The Stations of the Cross article did not go over well. He was in fact quite perturbed at this "non-Scriptural perversion."

I giggled like the papist schoolgirl that I am. ;)

All I was doind was clarifying your statement on what the Bible said about submission- not being a militant over the issue.

FYI- Ephesians 5:22 "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord." I don't care if you choose to believe this or not- I was simply correcting your mistake.

Let's talk about the lines after that. "Husbands, love your wies, just as Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her..."

Papists have Bibles too.

You are correct. I agree with you. I should have added that part. Thanks for noting it.

Papist sounds like a bad word.

I can see the 9 O'Clock new talking about how a gang of papists attacked women in the park.

-Rudey

I too would like to know the reasoning behind wives submitting to their husbands. "Because the Bible says so" isn't reason enough.

It will be a cold day in hell before I submit to my husband simply because he has a penis and I don't.

I know my husband loves me, but I'm not sure any man can love their wives as Christ loved the Church, so I guess until then I can forget about having to submit to him :D

oh my god, i would absolutely kill myself if i went there... i could only imagine people being forced to go to that school like if their mother is like the freakish mother in the movie "Carrie." All i know is that the sororities and fraternities sure as hell wouldn't be having any "Golf Pros and Tennis Hos" mixers or lengerie parties! sounds like no fun to me:)

re: AOIIBrandi

So....I guess that means that he can forget about TRYING
to love you as Christ loves the church then....as long as
you are in agreement! :D

re: arieltridelta
So you don't find the term "Ho" to be offensive?? I've heard
young guys use that term, but always assumed it would
be offensive to young ladies....maybe I'm just too old! :confused:

Have no fear, aephi alum, Kathleen's new least favorite religion has all the answers.

http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?...hortcutID=7838

I have to go bake a pie now. :p

No, they are not trying to control anyone. Makes me wanna go sign up. Cause geese i would feel wanted

PS, love your quote at the bottom of your post geekypenguin.

about the names for mixers
 

(re) JoinerLxa
it's hard to explain, basically it's just an example out of many for the names fraternities choose for mixers. it's all just for fun, so no one gets offended. the point is to dress as sexy as possible without being naked- very college, basically. Now if someone were to call a specific girl or to maliciously call the girls in a sorority "hos," it would be a completely different story.

I imagine it way to late to ask what this thread has to do with Greek Life.

Well, it started as a thread about secret societies at BJU...

Yes, we have gotten off topic. Let's see if we can tie the
thread back to the original question:

So, are the local sororities at BJU offended by the word "Ho"?

And if one of the fraternities becomes paired with one of
the sororities, does the sorority have to be submissive to
the fraternity???

Just kidding :D

I'm sitting in the yearbook office with a copy of the Bob Jones University yearbook from 2000. It's total craziness. I can't even imagine where you buy some of the get-ups these girls are wearing. The guys' sports teams are wearing shorts but the girls' teams have to wear pants . . .

And oh, in the pictures of their "societies," there's a photo of what I imagine is "hazing" -- a kid with a blindfold on who's being forced to drink . . .



GINGER ALE!

The horror!

Re: more rules
 

I guess that means they won't be able to watch the very religious movie The Passion of the Christ b/c it's R-rated!

I am sorry, but I do not really understand a "Professed" College such as this compared to Us Heathens who go to Schools who beleive in learning and enlightenment.

But, of course, there must be some people who beleive this Dogma and pay out the nose to go there?

God forbid that I could not think while I went to College!

I am just wondering when Thefacebook.com will be opened up to BJU :D

Well at least they've progressed so far as to now allow "inter-racial dating". Now you can.... as long as they get parental permission :eek:

But then again this is the same 'institute' that welcomes Ian Paisley to lecture - which worries me that the "university" is promoting or supporting his hatemongering.

re: being forced to drink Ginger Ale
 

Actually, if forced to drink VERY LARGE amounts of any
liquid, even water (especially water!), a person can die.

I remember reading about a fraternity pledge forced to
drink large amounts of water in a short period....it makes
the electrolytes in the body "out of kilter" and causes the
heart to stop (similar to heart attacks in people with
bulimia eating disorder).

my 2cc.:p

Can you use tobacco while attending? Or can you eat "junk food"?

I have an interesting experience with BJU. First off, my aunt went there in the 80's, I do not remember rules but I do know it is unaccredited and she could not even get a job in her field with her degree. She ended up having to go to community college to take soem classes. Even now she can really only hold a job that requires a high school diploma.

also, i went to a christian high school and we took science over what was caled BJLinc. It was a live TV broadcast of our classes taught by a teacher at BJU. it was broadcast to christain schools all over the country and a keypad thing to enter answers to exams and in class questions and also 'log' if you were not understanding material. the teacher then would see students pressing this and explain the material again. we could also call in over the keypads too or once in a while, the teacher would pick a random student at a random school and call on him or her. it was very strange having to log in each period and then having our previous science taechers sit in on the class to make sure we were paying attention.

also, as a christian school kid, i got to see wide range of christian colleges (i never even considered going to one, but they visited the school and a ton of graduates went to them). The schools tend to be very different in the way that a school like penn state is about partying and my undergrad was more of a suitcase working class school. from the ones who visited or friends went to, this is what i learned:

BJU was of no use because it was not accredited and had the strictest rules
Pensacola had weird rules but wasn't as nutso. they had a hardcore recruitment team though. i started receiving college info in 7th grade and they came each year to present at our school.
Liberty is more of the 'liberal' christian school and allows christian rock, etc. most of the kids from my school who went to christian colleges went here. ive also heard from my boss who went to a school in the same town, that these kids liek to party and could be found at local frat parties. liberty controls the students lives less than BJU and pensacola. Nyack is kind of the same.
Wheaton is very academically focused and harder to get in to
Word of LIfe and some others are specifically fro going into missionary work or becoming a pastor/youth pastor.

my thing is to just be careful in lumping all these schools together as they can be very different, especially BYU as it is actually an accredited university. i think liberty may be also.

it is crazy to think of how mnay christian colleges there are out there...not just like 'catholic' or 'jesuit' or 'baptist' etc, but the ones that actually have daily or weekly chapels that people are espected to attend or where a specific religious faith is an admissions factor

Yep. Even though I am a christian, I was always weary of the schools that forced you to attend chapel. Pepperdine was one of those that had mandatory chapel. I don't know if it is still like that, but when I applied (and got accepted) they sent me itinerary and there it stated pretty clearly and big that chapel was mandatory for everyone.

Well rest assured, graduates of BJU can always find some employment elsewhere... like perhaps being appointed Ambassador to Canada:rolleyes:

It's nice to see the anti-Catholic bias hasn't slipped into his diplomatic dealings up here... oh wait a tic, silly me it has...

What do you mean?

Liberty is accredited, as is Wheaton. Wheaton is actually pretty highly regarded.

I just caught this comment....


I don't really see any other interpretation to submit, unless you're talking about a proposition or contention. And I don't think it's meant that I need to proposition my husband. What really bothers me though about submit is the word origin: To set under?? I'm not going to set myself under my husband, no matter how much his sexisit Mexican ass wants me to. (We're still working on the sexist part, but he's finally getting it. It started to sink in real quickly when he found out I'm better at using a drill then him....)

Pepperdine still makes you go to chapel. My cousin was thinking of applying there until he heard about that.

We had to go to daily chapel in high school, regardless of religion. Most of the students didn't mind. In fact, many enjoyed it as it was a place for them to share their culture/faith with the community.

Ours wasn't quite daily at my highschool, but most of our students didn't mine. Many enjoyed it as someplace else to be besides class.

That too ;)

It's good that you didn't mind going. I know I would hate it. I also would never apply to a school that made me do it.

Which is exactly how my cousin felt.

My university had a 2 semester chapel requirement. It was not bad, although I will say it should not have been called "chapel" as most of the time it had nothing to do with God- it was more about eating healthy, random political speakers, presentation of Homecoming court. Kind of a waste of time. The fun part was that we sat by social security number so we got to sit by people from home (especially cool if you were from out of state like I was).

Anyway, back to the topic.... I do have an ex-boyfriend who went to Bob Jones and so did his siblings. Let me tell you that they were all WILD afterwards! I think the school repressed them too much and they totally rebelled afterwards!

FYI
 

From the NATIONAL CATHOLIC REGISTER (newspaper):

Enrollments at "Coalition of Christian Colleges and Universities"
(CCCU, 102 colleges, mostly Evangelical-church-related)
institutions surge:

From 1990-2004:
CCCU institutions: 70.6% enrollment increase
All independent (non-state): 28%
All public (state): 12.8%
Catholic (at least in name) colleges: 27.5%
Data from: national assoc. of independent colleges and univers..

So looks like SOMEBODY likes these places! Most are not
anywhere near as restrictive as BJU though. (Don't know
if BJU is even a member of CCCU....maybe too liberal for them!
..."Be Ye Not Unequally Yoked..." ya know!