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HotDamnImAPhiMu 08-23-2004 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
uh, you're talking about self-proclaimed ENJOYMENT out of being mean to people vs. a signature that's there all the time.

little different.


though she's right, James, not very panhellenic. :( I'm taking your rush shirt back.

amycat412 08-23-2004 07:58 PM

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Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
uh, you're talking about self-proclaimed ENJOYMENT out of being mean to people vs. a signature that's there all the time.

little different.

Perception of enjoyment. As has been stated here many many times by members of the H&A, most of us do NOT enjoy being mean to people.

I can think of more than a few members who are regularly far more mean than any of the H&A.

valkyrie 08-23-2004 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by amycat412
Perception of enjoyment. As has been stated here many many times by members of the H&A, most of us do NOT enjoy being mean to people.

I can think of more than a few members who are regularly far more mean than any of the H&A.

I'm having a really hard time thinking of anyone who likes being deliberately mean to people. This thread has certainly gotten...um...interesting.

HotDamnImAPhiMu 08-23-2004 08:04 PM

*shrug* perception of mean, then. I would classify bullying, ganging up on people, personal attacks, etc. as "mean."



(but before Sandy posts: no, it does not affect my life, and yes, I realize it's entirely on the internet. :D )

sugar and spice 08-23-2004 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HotDamnImAPhiMu
uh, you're talking about self-proclaimed ENJOYMENT out of being mean to people vs. a signature that's there all the time.

little different.

As I said before -- you're misinterpreting my post.

I don't get off on being mean to people. I can't speak for the rest of the H&A, but given that I don't know anyone who enjoys being mean to people, I can imagine they are similar. The thing is, I also don't get off on blowing sunshine up people's butts when I don't like them. That's the default behavior for women on GC (though not the men -- see my earlier post about double standard), and I think that the fact that most of the H&A have more interesting things to aspire to than the GC sorority girl ideals of "nice" and "sweet" is a little off-putting.

For anybody who continues to complain about how I get off on being mean, I have another challenge for you (since the first one obviously went over your heads): go back through my posts and list the situations where you think I've been "mean." Send me a PM with a list of all these instances. Offhand, I can think of ONE instance that was genuinely mean-spirited. I'm willing to admit that there may be a few others that have slipped my mind -- but for two years on GC and as many posts as I have, I can't say that that's a terrible record. First person to prove me wrong gets the satisfaction of knowing that I am, in fact, a cold-hearted bitch.

Go.

Lindz928 08-23-2004 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by valkyrie
I'm having a really hard time thinking of anyone who likes being deliberately mean to people. This thread has certainly gotten...um...interesting.
I don't think interesting is the first word I would use to describe this thread. :rolleyes:

Rudey 08-23-2004 08:08 PM

Let's talk about how I was stalked and harassed for months.

-Rudey

mu_agd 08-23-2004 08:10 PM

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Every time someone is mean on GC, a kitten dies... Think of the kittens!
what happens if you hate kittens?? then can you be mean all the time and not care??

amycat412 08-23-2004 08:11 PM

Where's the WAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE? We need a whole fleet of them here!

James 08-23-2004 08:13 PM

Thats a valid point.

You kids put his information out there right before or after Cooper threatened to Gut him. Cooper being an Ex combat soldier.

Although Rudey wasn't as freaked as everyone is over a tubby little white girl from the suburbs.

Note: that is not a shot at tubby little white girls from the suburbs in general. It was an observation of the difference between a combat soldier threatening to kill you and the vague non-verbalized possible threat of that tubby little suburban white girl we are talking about.



Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Let's talk about how I was stalked and harassed for months.

-Rudey


sugar and spice 08-23-2004 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Thats a valid point.

You kids put his information out there right before or after Cooper threatened to Gut him. Cooper being an Ex combat soldier.

Although Rudey wasn't as freaked as everyone is over a tubby little white girl from the suburbs.

Note: that is not a shot at tubby little white girls from the suburbs in general. It was an observation of the difference between a combat soldier threatening to kill you and the vague non-verbalized possible threat of that tubby little suburban white girl we are talking about.

Oh honey, was that ever low.

Everybody in this thread knows that the only reason you're being so bitchy to J. is because she's the one who outed you as a 32-year-old skeeze trying to pick up college girls on the internet. I kept my lips zipped on that particular point because I didn't feel like I needed to aim below the belt with you, but since you went there first . . .

One percent pure trash to pull that shit on J. when you know she's not around to defend herself. Speaking of "tubby" -- pot, kettle, honey?

As I am not supposed to use discuss R**** anymore because apparently that qualifies as stalking him, I will not even bother to go into detail, but to clear some misconceptions up:

1) R.'s information was posted LONG before the incident with RACooper
2) Apparently you skipped over the part in the "Roll call" thread where I pointed out that it was not even entirely the H&A the posted his info?
3) Nobody except those "in the know" had a friggin' clue what his information alluded to. Ask the mods who were asked to delete it -- they thought it had something to do with his religious beliefs until they were set straight.
4) Contrary to what R. might have you believe, I've played a minimal role in anything related to "stalking" :rolleyes: him. The people who have played the largest roles are those that he is still friendly with and that he talks to on a regular basis. I've taken the blame for my place in the baby pic debacle and that's about all I can own up to. R. just likes to whine because he thrives on attention.
5) It took about five minutes total for anyone to figure out R.'s full name given the information gleaned from GC. I want to point that out as a warning to anybody who posts here -- if anybody really wanted to gut R., they wouldn't have had too tough of a time figuring out where to find him.

Munchkin03 08-23-2004 08:41 PM

Call me oblivious, but I had no idea that anyone's real name was being listed on LJ community interests. I usually don't check User Info, so I wouldn't know. I had nothing to do with it. I am not a stalker. :(

I have, however, received instant messages from a certain person on GC telling me not to get married because I'm too young, and that long-distance relationships are a waste of time.

No one's innocent here...especially those who are doing the most finger-wagging.

Allmixedup311 08-23-2004 08:46 PM

a few people on here seriously need help.

Internet Lawyer 08-23-2004 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Let's talk about how I was stalked and harassed for months.
The Court has been asked to provide a little background on cyberstalking. The US DOJ website provides this overview:

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Although there is no universally accepted definition of cyberstalking, the term is generally used to refer to the use of the Internet, e-mail, or other telecommunication technologies to harass or stalk another person. Essentially, cyberstalking is an extension of the physical form of stalking. Most state and federal stalking laws require that the stalker make a direct threat of violence against the victim, while some require only that the alleged stalker's course of conduct constitute an implied threat. Although some cyberstalking conduct involving annoying or menacing behavior might fall short of illegal stalking under current laws, such behavior may be a prelude to real-life stalking and violence and should be treated seriously. Cyberstalking has the potential to move from a URL address to an IRL (in real life) address--from virtual to actual (Gregorie 2000).
The Court does not believe that the H&A's actions amounted to harassment or stalking under any of these definitions. Accordingly, the Court hereby rules that you have not been harassed or stalked by the H&A and orders you to stop whining.

______________________________
/s/ Chief Justice
Supreme Court of the Internet

Edited to fix the typo that everyone has quoted in the past five minutes.

Rudey 08-23-2004 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Oh honey, was that ever low.

Everybody in this thread knows that the only reason you're being so bitchy to J. is because she's the one who outed you as a 32-year-old skeeze trying to pick up college girls on the internet. I kept my lips zipped on that particular point because I didn't feel like I needed to aim below the belt with you, but since you went there first . . .

One percent pure trash to pull that shit on J. when you know she's not around to defend herself. Speaking of "tubby" -- pot, kettle, honey?

As I am not supposed to use discuss R**** anymore because apparently that qualifies as stalking him, I will not even bother to go into detail, but to clear some misconceptions up:

1) R.'s information was posted LONG before the incident with RACooper
2) Apparently you skipped over the part in the "Roll call" thread where I pointed out that it was not even entirely the H&A the posted his info?
3) Nobody except those "in the know" had a friggin' clue what his information alluded to. Ask the mods who were asked to delete it -- they thought it had something to do with his religious beliefs until they were set straight.
4) Contrary to what R. might have you believe, I've played a minimal role in anything related to "stalking" :rolleyes: him. The people who have played the largest roles are those that he is still friendly with and that he talks to on a regular basis. I've taken the blame for my place in the baby pic debacle and that's about all I can own up to. R. just likes to whine because he thrives on attention.
5) It took about five minutes total for anyone to figure out R.'s full name given the information gleaned from GC. I want to point that out as a warning to anybody who posts here -- if anybody really wanted to gut R., they wouldn't have had too tough of a time figuring out where to find him.

And who is it that I talk to??

Again you and the rest of them knew I didn't want that info or those pictures posted, yet you posted it.

You did this over a period of several months.

You and whomever else was involved (all your little friends) are psychotic little stalkers.

You don't know who I talk to unless you stalk me on that end as well.

-Rudey

KSig RC 08-23-2004 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Internet Lawyer



The Court does believe that the H&A's actions amounted to harassment or stalking under any of these definitions.

This is the only intelligent thing this sock puppet has ever posted.

James 08-23-2004 08:51 PM

Uhm am I missing something from the last post?

I referred to mullet (IHE) as tubby little white girl from the suburbs and comparing that to a combat veteran in terms of threat. Why is that an attack on jules? How do you get that extrapolation?

And rudey's particulars were posted, which he keeps pointing out.

Oh and as I pointed out before I am much older than 32, while in the process of picking up all the GC chicks as you put it. You are underestimating that number by a lot. Maybe its because I am so much older you that I find this stuff less significant.


Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Oh honey, was that ever low.

Everybody in this thread knows that the only reason you're being so bitchy to J. is because she's the one who outed you as a 32-year-old skeeze trying to pick up college girls on the internet. I kept my lips zipped on that particular point because I didn't feel like I needed to aim below the belt with you, but since you went there first . . .

One percent pure trash to pull that shit on J. when you know she's not around to defend herself. Speaking of "tubby" -- pot, kettle, honey?

As I am not supposed to use discuss R**** anymore because apparently that qualifies as stalking him, I will not even bother to go into detail, but to clear some misconceptions up:

1) R.'s information was posted LONG before the incident with RACooper
2) Apparently you skipped over the part in the "Roll call" thread where I pointed out that it was not even entirely the H&A the posted his info?
3) Nobody except those "in the know" had a friggin' clue what his information alluded to. Ask the mods who were asked to delete it -- they thought it had something to do with his religious beliefs until they were set straight.
4) Contrary to what R. might have you believe, I've played a minimal role in anything related to "stalking" :rolleyes: him. The people who have played the largest roles are those that he is still friendly with and that he talks to on a regular basis. I've taken the blame for my place in the baby pic debacle and that's about all I can own up to. R. just likes to whine because he thrives on attention.
5) It took about five minutes total for anyone to figure out R.'s full name given the information gleaned from GC. I want to point that out as a warning to anybody who posts here -- if anybody really wanted to gut R., they wouldn't have had too tough of a time figuring out where to find him.


Rudey 08-23-2004 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Internet Lawyer
The Court has been asked to provide a little background on cyberstalking. The US DOJ website provides this overview:



The Court does believe that the H&A's actions amounted to harassment or stalking under any of these definitions. Accordingly, the Court hereby rules that you have not been harassed or stalked by the H&A and orders you to stop whining.

______________________________
/s/ Chief Justice
Supreme Court of the Internet

Shut the funk up and use your other name.

You are not funny.

-Rudey

Rudey 08-23-2004 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by KSig RC
This is the only intelligent thing this sock puppet has ever posted.
High-five.

-Rudey

mu_agd 08-23-2004 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
And who is it that I talk to??

Again you and the rest of them knew I didn't want that info or those pictures posted, yet you posted it.

You did this over a period of several months.

You and whomever else was involved (all your little friends) are psychotic little stalkers.

You don't know who I talk to unless you stalk me on that end as well.

-Rudey

ok, so i'm a pyschotic little stalker b/c i'm friends with these people? even though i knew nothing about it? yeah i don't think that's correct.

Unregistered- 08-23-2004 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mu_agd
ok, so i'm a pyschotic little stalker b/c i'm friends with these people? even though i knew nothing about it? yeah i don't think that's correct.
Guilt by association, honey. At least in the end YOU'LL still have friends. :)

Rudey 08-23-2004 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mu_agd
ok, so i'm a pyschotic little stalker b/c i'm friends with these people? even though i knew nothing about it? yeah i don't think that's correct.
If you read my post I said these people not people who are friends with these people. I didn't say anything about you ever.

-Rudey

mu_agd 08-23-2004 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
If you read my post I said these people not people who are friends with these people. I didn't say anything about you ever.

-Rudey

but your post said "all your friends". wouldn't that include me?

Rudey 08-23-2004 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mu_agd
but your post said "all your friends". wouldn't that include me?
"You and whomever else was involved"

Again I haven't said a single bad thing about you ever have I?

-Rudey

mu_agd 08-23-2004 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
"You and whomever else was involved"

Again I haven't said a single bad thing about you ever have I?

-Rudey

no, and that's why i didn't get it.

James 08-23-2004 09:28 PM

Daaaymmm, I think you just lost your moral high card in the game of nice versus meaness.

Your post doesn't even make sense in context because its not being bitchy to Jules at all, if anyone it should be freaking out right now its Mullet, since she is the one I am insulting. I am surpirsed you would defend mullet.

However, it is rather clever to say I am a skeezy 30, 40, 50, 60 or whatever guy that has used my 5 years on GC to try and pick all you girls up.

I mean just reading that looks pretty bad. Damn, I mean I know me, and I even think I must be some perv trolling along trying pick pre adolescents that their mommies leave unguarded.

(in a spooky voice)"Want some candy little girl . . . "

But thats part of what we mean when we are talking about you and the harem Sugar and Spice.

You guys don't attack the message. We would all understand that.

You guys will gang up and attack the messenger. You will make snide comments about them or insult them in an effort to discredit them so that their views are not taken seriously.

James is a perv that is stalking GC girls online . . . wow, who is going to listen to him? Is he credible? Run away all girls on GC:)

You would think John would have banned a moderator that does that by now. 5 years of picking up GC women. Go James.






Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Oh honey, was that ever low.

Everybody in this thread knows that the only reason you're being so bitchy to J. is because she's the one who outed you as a 32-year-old skeeze trying to pick up college girls on the internet. I kept my lips zipped on that particular point because I didn't feel like I needed to aim below the belt with you, but since you went there first . . .

One percent pure trash to pull that shit on J. when you know she's not around to defend herself. Speaking of "tubby" -- pot, kettle, honey?

As I am not supposed to use discuss R**** anymore because apparently that qualifies as stalking him, I will not even bother to go into detail, but to clear some misconceptions up:

1) R.'s information was posted LONG before the incident with RACooper
2) Apparently you skipped over the part in the "Roll call" thread where I pointed out that it was not even entirely the H&A the posted his info?
3) Nobody except those "in the know" had a friggin' clue what his information alluded to. Ask the mods who were asked to delete it -- they thought it had something to do with his religious beliefs until they were set straight.
4) Contrary to what R. might have you believe, I've played a minimal role in anything related to "stalking" :rolleyes: him. The people who have played the largest roles are those that he is still friendly with and that he talks to on a regular basis. I've taken the blame for my place in the baby pic debacle and that's about all I can own up to. R. just likes to whine because he thrives on attention.
5) It took about five minutes total for anyone to figure out R.'s full name given the information gleaned from GC. I want to point that out as a warning to anybody who posts here -- if anybody really wanted to gut R., they wouldn't have had too tough of a time figuring out where to find him.


33girl 08-23-2004 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
I think that the fact that most of the H&A have more interesting things to aspire to than the GC sorority girl ideals of "nice" and "sweet" is a little off-putting.
You have GOT to be kidding me. Heather, have you gone round the proverbial bend???

"GC sorority girl ideals"???? If nice and sweet are GC sorority girl ideals, KillarneyRose, shadokat, kddani and myself (to name but a few people) would have been out of here looooooong ago. But no one seems to start threads about us being mean or bitchy.

If you feel like GC is trying to push you into some mold, that's YOUR perspective - and if it gives you strength in your journey to self empowerment, umm, OK whatever. This is just such a bizarre thing to say I couldn't help but respond.

And as far as James - hello!! get with the program!! He's not 32, he's into bestiality. (Which reminds me James - this damn bighorn sheep has eaten all the grass out of my yard and my neighbors are getting irate - can you come and pick it up soon please?)

James 08-23-2004 09:50 PM

You know . . . (James says in a slow drawl) . . I still have a REALLY bad itch from the last sheep you brought over . . could we switch to goats?

Plus we can use them in Ritual afterwards in the new secret society we can create on GC:)

Ritual demands goats.


Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl
(Which reminds me James - this damn bighorn sheep has eaten all the grass out of my yard and my neighbors are getting irate - can you come and pick it up soon please?)

Lindz928 08-23-2004 10:01 PM

James, I thought you were an 80 year old dwarf.... That's a little too old, but 70 is perfect. You can stalk me anytime. ;)

AXO Alum 08-23-2004 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
And as far as James - hello!! get with the program!! He's not 32, he's into bestiality. (Which reminds me James - this damn bighorn sheep has eaten all the grass out of my yard and my neighbors are getting irate - can you come and pick it up soon please?)
ROFLMBO -- too funny :D

HotDamnImAPhiMu 08-23-2004 10:24 PM

I don't know that saying GC supports being "sweet" and "nice" means the only way to establishing an identity is to be nasty to people.

damasa 08-23-2004 10:36 PM

After a failed attempt to make a late dinner I have decided to go to Wendys. When I return this thread better be dead.

If not I'm going to start handing out neckchops like a hooker gives $10 BJs. In the meantime I'm sure RC will hold it down.


(He'll get your ass worse than I will.)

adduncan 08-23-2004 10:41 PM

In before the lock. :D
Sorry, it had to be done.

--add

James 08-23-2004 10:44 PM

Heavy irony.


Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice

For anybody who continues to complain about how I get off on being mean, I have another challenge for you (since the first one obviously went over your heads): go back through my posts and list the situations where you think I've been "mean." Send me a PM with a list of all these instances. Offhand, I can think of ONE instance that was genuinely mean-spirited. I'm willing to admit that there may be a few others that have slipped my mind -- but for two years on GC and as many posts as I have, I can't say that that's a terrible record. First person to prove me wrong gets the satisfaction of knowing that I am, in fact, a cold-hearted bitch.

Go.


sugar and spice 08-23-2004 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by James

Oh and as I pointed out before I am much older than 32, while in the process of picking up all the GC chicks as you put it. You are underestimating that number by a lot. Maybe its because I am so much older you that I find this stuff less significant.

I originally guessed 43 . . . is that closer?

And if you were referring to mullet, I'm not sure "tubby" is the most accurate description. ;) But I'm hoping you'll forgive my misreading of your post since I was a little preoccupied earlier . . .


*** For those of you playing the Count-the-mean-posts-that-s&s makes game at home, I'll give you my previous response to James for free.

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl

"GC sorority girl ideals"???? If nice and sweet are GC sorority girl ideals, KillarneyRose, shadokat, kddani and myself (to name but a few people) would have been out of here looooooong ago. But no one seems to start threads about us being mean or bitchy.

I'm sure you know that the handful of you are the exception rather than the rule, and I'm sure that you also know that there have been allusions to bitchiness in regards to a few of you off the site (if not on it). (Not to mention the fact that there are many women on this site, while being first class b*tches themselves, are quite ready to put other people in their places for the same damn behavior that they themselves display on a daily basis because apparently it's not "appropriate sorority girl behavior" . . . ideals and actual behavior are not necessarily congruous.)

I'm sure you also know -- because I know this is one of your pet issues -- that the "cliquiness" in combination with the lack of sweetness and roses is what really gets to people. But, uh, as I've pointed out before, I don't agree that any condemnation of cliques on a GLO website is valid. As I've said time and time again, I think it's fascinating that so many people who are GLO members have such a bizarre aversion to cliques.

HotDamn, for all your references as to how nasty I apparently am, I'm still waiting for that list of all the times I've been mean on GC -- surely, if I'm that mean, it wouldn't take you all that long to come up with a decent-sized list of infractions.

PS: Dear everyone, valkyrie is not Internet Lawyer. Neither is Kath (clearly, since Kath has been on vacation for the past week). As stated previously, IL is not a member of the H&A -- not that that would really give you much to work with since most of y'all don't even know who comprises this illustrious organization. :rolleyes:

sugar and spice 08-23-2004 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by damasa
After a failed attempt to make a late dinner I have decided to go to Wendys. When I return this thread better be dead.

If not I'm going to start handing out neckchops like a hooker gives $10 BJs. In the meantime I'm sure RC will hold it down.


(He'll get your ass worse than I will.)


So when is this alleged threesome going to take place?

33girl 08-23-2004 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
I'm sure you know that the handful of you are the exception rather than the rule, and I'm sure that you also know that there have been allusions to bitchiness in regards to a few of you off the site (if not on it). (Not to mention the fact that there are many women on this site, while being first class b*tches themselves, are quite ready to put other people in their places for the same damn behavior that they themselves display on a daily basis because apparently it's not "appropriate sorority girl behavior" . . . ideals and actual behavior are not necessarily congruous.)

I'm sure you also know -- because I know this is one of your pet issues -- that the "cliquiness" in combination with the lack of sweetness and roses is what really gets to people. But, uh, as I've pointed out before, I don't agree that any condemnation of cliques on a GLO website is valid. As I've said time and time again, I think it's fascinating that so many people who are GLO members have such a bizarre aversion to cliques.

Actually, I don't think we are the exception to the rule. There are a lot of people on here I have a lot in common with. If this was a site full of snobby girls, people who never thought Panhellenically or women without opinions I wouldn't be here. I think you're taking the actions of a few and extrapolating them into the opinions of the many. Or interpreting silence as agreement. If I don't comment on an issue, it's usually because I a) don't give a crap or b) can see both sides of the issue and would rather not place myself on either one.

And why on earth do you keep saying you don't understand GLO members having an aversion to cliques? That's kinda like you're saying you don't understand Germans having an aversion to Hitler* - taking the worst possible behavior of members of a certain group and not understanding why the rest of the members don't want to associate themselves with it.



*yes, I know Hitler was Austrian. And his grandma was a prostitute. bleah.

KSig RC 08-23-2004 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by damasa
After a failed attempt to make a late dinner I have decided to go to Wendys. When I return this thread better be dead.

If not I'm going to start handing out neckchops like a hooker gives $10 BJs. In the meantime I'm sure RC will hold it down.


(He'll get your ass worse than I will.)


neckchops like kung fu


this thread is so f-ing stupid - most of you need to take a breather, get back to sucking at life, you're boring me


back to you, damasa, in the squadcave






LAAAAAARGE TEXT

Rudey 08-23-2004 11:10 PM

Let's just remind her how she and her friends stalked me for months.

-Rudey

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl
Actually, I don't think we are the exception to the rule. There are a lot of people on here I have a lot in common with. If this was a site full of snobby girls, people who never thought Panhellenically or women without opinions I wouldn't be here. I think you're taking the actions of a few and extrapolating them into the opinions of the many. Or interpreting silence as agreement. If I don't comment on an issue, it's usually because I a) don't give a crap or b) can see both sides of the issue and would rather not place myself on either one.

And why on earth do you keep saying you don't understand GLO members having an aversion to cliques? That's kinda like you're saying you don't understand Germans having an aversion to Hitler* - taking the worst possible behavior of members of a certain group and not understanding why the rest of the members don't want to associate themselves with it.



*yes, I know Hitler was Austrian. And his grandma was a prostitute. bleah.


WhiteDaisy128 08-23-2004 11:13 PM

Sorry folks...I feel this just has to be said:

http://www.brentroad.com/photos/00004055.jpg

Yeah, and this too:

http://www.brentroad.com/photos/00197809.jpg


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