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koray 02-14-2010 08:00 PM

hellas
 
hahaha kalimera vre gitonas :D i did meant to enter a chat page but i found myself in forum.. this story is not about hellas, is it ? i thought this was suppose to be hellenic page.

Senusret I 02-14-2010 08:06 PM

You thought like lit.

knight_shadow 02-14-2010 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1896901)
You thought like lit.

*dead*

ASAlamb 02-14-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1896890)
Phooey, I fixed it. Try it now. :)

Thanks for the link! I wonder if other women's fraternities are teaching their new members similar stuff as ZTA?

(Not that I want to resurrect a dead horse just to beat it to death again :p)

MysticCat 02-15-2010 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ASAlamb (Post 1896869)
I've read that the word sorority didn't even exist until Gamma Phi Beta was founded... am I right in thinking she was ignorant/full of crap?

Yes, you are right in thinking that, but . . .

. . . meaning absolutely no disrespect to Gamma Phi Beta or Dr. Brown, the word "sorority" did exist before Gamma Phi Beta. Sir Thomas More used it in his writings around 1530. Granted, it was never as common a word as "fraternity" (which had a long use among religious communities prior to its use for what we think of as fraternities), but it when he suggested it in the 1870s for Gamma Phi Beta, Dr. Brown could have been drawing on a knowledge of More's writings. Of course, he also could have been completely unaware of the previous use of the word and simply did what someone before him had done -- gone back to the Latin sororitas and anglicized it in a manner similar to fraternitas.

SWTXBelle 04-10-2010 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1897050)
Yes, you are right in thinking that, but . . .

. . . meaning absolutely no disrespect to Gamma Phi Beta or Dr. Brown, the word "sorority" did exist before Gamma Phi Beta. Sir Thomas More used it in his writings around 1530. Granted, it was never as common a word as "fraternity" (which had a long use among religious communities prior to its use for what we think of as fraternities), but it when he suggested it in the 1870s for Gamma Phi Beta, Dr. Brown could have been drawing on a knowledge of More's writings. Of course, he also could have been completely unaware of the previous use of the word and simply did what someone before him had done -- gone back to the Latin sororitas and anglicized it in a manner similar to fraternitas.

We can give dear Dr. Brown credit for being the first to apply "sorority" to a women's GLO. It can be fun to state that Gamma Phi was the first SORORITY to Pi Phis or A D Pis = ;)

MysticCat 04-10-2010 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1915547)
We can give dear Dr. Brown credit for being the first to apply "sorority" to a women's GLO.

Absolutely! We can also give Dr. Brown credit for being learned, without a doubt. ;)

AGDee 04-10-2010 04:35 PM

Interestingly, the same dear Dr. Brown assisted Alpha Gamma Delta and we are a Fraternity.

DGnevada 04-29-2010 06:31 PM

im not sure if this has been said already, but i live and go to school in the state of Nevada, where brothels are a legal thing, and if your sorority house holds more than 12 girls, you legally have to have a house mother.. which is essentially your madame. I know that is NV law.. but im not sure about any other states.

VandalSquirrel 04-29-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DGnevada (Post 1923142)
im not sure if this has been said already, but i live and go to school in the state of Nevada, where brothels are a legal thing, and if your sorority house holds more than 12 girls, you legally have to have a house mother.. which is essentially your madame. I know that is NV law.. but im not sure about any other states.

You need to get yourself to the UNR Law Library, since that isn't how the law works for the locations of brothels/legal prostitution in Nevada. Reno is in Washoe County, and that, as well as Clark County (Las Vegas), are at least two of the counties where prostitution is not legal. Therefore, there are no laws relating to brothels or prostitution and sorority houses at either UNLV or UNR, but there are laws about unrelated relatives living together and zoning.

agzg 04-29-2010 08:17 PM

Ohhhh right. "There are no brothel laws relating to sorority houses in any state" actually means "There are no brothel laws relating to sorority houses in any state but Nevada."

How silly of us to forget that.

Barbie's_Rush 04-29-2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1923181)
Ohhhh right. "There are no brothel laws relating to sorority houses in any state" actually means "Ther are no brothel laws relating to sorority houses in any state but Nevada."

How silly of us to forget that.

Just another snowflake letting us commoners know how truly special her situation is.

33girl 04-29-2010 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DGnevada (Post 1923142)
im not sure if this has been said already, but i live and go to school in the state of Nevada, where brothels are a legal thing, and if your sorority house holds more than 12 girls, you legally have to have a house mother.. which is essentially your madame. I know that is NV law.. but im not sure about any other states.

So in other words all the girls that live in or go to school in your state are whores? How much do you charge? Is it extra to go in the back door?

KSUViolet06 04-30-2010 12:05 AM

LOL @ this thread being 10 pages of people saying "but MY school really does have a brothel law" and people saying it's fake. Then the same people saying "but MY school is special."

Drolefille 05-11-2010 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1923266)
LOL @ this thread being 10 pages of people saying "but MY school really does have a brothel law" and people saying it's fake. Then the same people saying "but MY school is special."

Yes but I was impressed to see someone from Nevada since it was like an entirely different perspective on the "My school REALLY DOES have a brothel law" thing. You know, just for a change of pace.

KSUViolet06 05-11-2010 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1927187)
Yes but I was impressed to see someone from Nevada since it was like an entirely different perspective on the "My school REALLY DOES have a brothel law" thing. You know, just for a change of pace.

You're ALIVE. How goes everything?

Drolefille 05-11-2010 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1927188)
You're ALIVE. How goes everything?

Rumors of my death were greatly under-reported.

Well I'm finished with my last clinical internship on Friday, and all I have left is a thesis. However I'm looking at not being able to pay rent by June if I don't get hired like... tomorrow. I have high hopes for a grant-funded position I applied for but no idea how fast the position will get filled. And I have a hope of some part time relief RA work at the residential facility at my current agency but that's not steady either so... yeah.

Mostly good, but the stress is rolling on in.

KSUViolet06 05-11-2010 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1927198)
Rumors of my death were greatly under-reported.

Well I'm finished with my last clinical internship on Friday, and all I have left is a thesis. However I'm looking at not being able to pay rent by June if I don't get hired like... tomorrow. I have high hopes for a grant-funded position I applied for but no idea how fast the position will get filled. And I have a hope of some part time relief RA work at the residential facility at my current agency but that's not steady either so... yeah.

Mostly good, but the stress is rolling on in.

Hang in there. I'm part-time at a community mental health type agency right now, but we are working on some grant funding that may = full-time again in the future.

Drolefille 05-11-2010 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1927201)
Hang in there. I'm part-time at a community mental health type agency right now, but we are working on some grant funding that may = full-time again in the future.

Yeah our agency is looking at a huge funding cut if IL doesn't get its budget act together, the employees will be taken care of, but I'll be done with my internship long before that. Hopefully they get the budget together, and hopefully they don't lose like... all of their residential money, but until then I'm just looking for something in the field that at LEAST uses my bachelor's degree until I finish the thesis.

*fingers crossed for you too*

mayor13 10-04-2010 09:35 PM

OK I skipped a few pages so if this was already covered, please forgive me.

From what I was always told, NYC does still incorporate brothel laws, but this is also included for Frats (male prostitution anyone?)

Frat & Sorority houses are illegal in NYC and there are absolutely none within the 5 boroughs- although that does not mean there isn't room for them, especially in Staten Island. While some of the larger schools may have floors for specific GLO's, its rare.

I tried looking it up to find out what the actual reason is and I can't find anything. Does anyone know whats up with that?

agzg 10-04-2010 09:44 PM

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...ity/ngrexw.gif

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990769)
OK I skipped a few pages so if this was already covered, please forgive me.

From what I was always told, NYC does still incorporate brothel laws, but this is also included for Frats (male prostitution anyone?)

Frat & Sorority houses are illegal in NYC and there are absolutely none within the 5 boroughs- although that does not mean there isn't room for them, especially in Staten Island. While some of the larger schools may have floors for specific GLO's, its rare.

I tried looking it up to find out what the actual reason is and I can't find anything. Does anyone know whats up with that?

You can't find anything because it doesn't exist. That's "whats up with that."

mayor13 10-04-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1990771)
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...ity/ngrexw.gif



You can't find anything because it doesn't exist. That's "whats up with that."


So then what is the reasoning for no sorority or fraternity housing in NYC at ANY of the schools here?

AOII Angel 10-04-2010 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990773)
So then what is the reasoning for no sorority or fraternity housing in NYC at ANY of the schools here?

Expense, maybe?

honeychile 10-04-2010 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990773)
So then what is the reasoning for no sorority or fraternity housing in NYC at ANY of the schools here?

Most probably $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

33girl 10-04-2010 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990773)
So then what is the reasoning for no sorority or fraternity housing in NYC at ANY of the schools here?

ZONING LAWS.

They prevent more than a specified number of unrelated people from living together, but that includes bands, cults, Justin Bieber fan clubs, you name it. It has NOTHING to do with prostitution or brothels.

http://www.snopes.com/college/halls/brothel.asp

http://www.snopes.com/college/halls/brothel.asp

http://www.snopes.com/college/halls/brothel.asp

http://www.snopes.com/college/halls/brothel.asp

mayor13 10-04-2010 10:00 PM

This is NYC...10 people will cram themselves into a 1 bedroom if they want and the city doesn't do anything about it.

As far as $ goes, thats one thing, but people always find away around that. Its just a shame that schools like NYU, Columbia, PACE, and other major schools in and around the city dont offer the same opportunities that Long Island or NJ- 20 minutes away, do.

I didnt say that it was definitely due to brothels, I was just stating that is what 95% of Greek life in the city thinks and I was trying to find out what the actual reasoning is. No need for yelling or being nasty, Im just trying to discuss this like an adult.

moe.ron 10-04-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990773)
So then what is the reasoning for no sorority or fraternity housing in NYC at ANY of the schools here?

http://sigep.org/images/housing/NYPhi.jpg
Sigma Phi Epsilon
New York Phi - Columbia University

I believe most of the houses in that block are Greek housing.

AOII Angel 10-04-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron (Post 1990783)
http://sigep.org/images/housing/NYPhi.jpg
Sigma Phi Epsilon
New York Phi - Columbia University

I believe most of the houses in that block are Greek housing.

Yeah, doesn't NYU have Greek housing, too. I know I've walked past some Greek housing walking around NYC.

AOII Angel 10-04-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990781)
This is NYC...10 people will cram themselves into a 1 bedroom if they want and the city doesn't do anything about it.

As far as $ goes, thats one thing, but people always find away around that. Its just a shame that schools like NYU, Columbia, PACE, and other major schools in and around the city dont offer the same opportunities that Long Island or NJ- 20 minutes away, do.

I didnt say that it was definitely due to brothels, I was just stating that is what 95% of Greek life in the city thinks and I was trying to find out what the actual reasoning is. No need for yelling or being nasty, Im just trying to discuss this like an adult.

And you've answered your brothel question.

moe.ron 10-04-2010 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1990786)
Yeah, doesn't NYU have Greek housing, too. I know I've walked past some Greek housing walking around NYC.

I know they have floors in the apartments. I've also seen some greek letters around the NYU area, dunno if it's still greek housing though.

Drolefille 10-04-2010 10:12 PM

This thread:
GC: Brothel laws are a myth
NewPoster1: My city has brothel laws
GC: *Smackdown* they're a myth
NewPoster1: No really, it does
GC: Citation, bitch.
NewPoster1: *backpedals or disappears*
GC: Moron
NewPoster2: My city has brothel laws.
GC: *communal facepalm*

agzg 10-04-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1990790)
This thread:
GC: Brothel laws are a myth
NewPoster1: My city has brothel laws
GC: *Smackdown* they're a myth
NewPoster1: No really, it does
GC: Citation, bitch.
NewPoster1: *backpedals or disappears*
GC: Moron
NewPoster2: My city has brothel laws.
GC: *communal facepalm*

I mean, like, damn.

I knew we were in for it when she said "I skipped a few pages."

mayor13 10-04-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1990790)
This thread:
GC: Brothel laws are a myth
NewPoster1: My city has brothel laws
GC: *Smackdown* they're a myth
NewPoster1: No really, it does
GC: Citation, bitch.
NewPoster1: *backpedals or disappears*
GC: Moron
NewPoster2: My city has brothel laws.
GC: *communal facepalm*

It seems you didnt read my entire post. I said that was the general thought...although it didnt make sense because there are no frat houses either.

Everyone thinks they are illegal.

Im trying to find out the real reason that there are no frat or sorority houses in NYC...the way you see them in places like Long Island or New Jersey.

moe.ron 10-04-2010 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990792)
It seems you didnt read my entire post. I said that was the general thought...although it didnt make sense because there are no frat houses either.

Im trying to find out the real reason that there are no frat or sorority houses in NYC...the way you see them in places like Long Island or New Jersey.

There are fraternity and sorority houses in NYC. Columbia got em, so does NYU.

mayor13 10-04-2010 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron (Post 1990793)
There are fraternity and sorority houses in NYC. Columbia got em, so does NYU.

Ive been with Greek life for about 4 years now and also work in Manhattan..Ive never seen them or been to one, but if they are there than good, it answers my question...it would be a matter of money.

moe.ron 10-04-2010 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990795)
Ive been with Greek life for about 4 years now and also work in Manhattan..Ive never seen them or been to one, but if they are there than good, it answers my question...it would be a matter of money.

SigEp's House in Columbia
http://sigep.org/images/housing/NYPhi.jpg

Sigma Chi's in Columbia
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/sigmachi/images/EXhouse.JPG

Drolefille 10-04-2010 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990792)
It seems you didnt read my entire post. I said that was the general thought...although it didnt make sense because there are no frat houses either.

Everyone thinks they are illegal.

Im trying to find out the real reason that there are no frat or sorority houses in NYC...the way you see them in places like Long Island or New Jersey.

I read your post. You're just the latest in a long line of NewPoster#s to enter the thread and say the same damn thing.

"Everyone" is an idiot. And you keep acting like the locations posted here are mythical just because you don't know about them.

There aren't any sorority houses in St. Louis proper either. Why? Because of a lot of reasons: cost, no strong housing tradition for sororities, location of universities to appropriate real estate, etc.

Brothel law is NOT one of them. Never has been, never will be.

agzg 10-04-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990795)
Ive been with Greek life for about 4 years now and also work in Manhattan..Ive never seen them or been to one, but if they are there than good, it answers my question...it would be a matter of money.

No shit, sherlock. As someone who works in Manhattan you have to know how much housing, particularly OWNING PROPERTY costs there.

moe.ron 10-04-2010 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mayor13 (Post 1990795)
Ive been with Greek life for about 4 years now and also work in Manhattan..Ive never seen them or been to one, but if they are there than good, it answers my question...it would be a matter of money.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2dDKdiaPCd...resh_duh_2.jpg

DrPhil 10-04-2010 11:28 PM

Everything boils down to brothel laws. Don't hate.

X: Hey, sorority sisters, you all never call me anymore. You wanna come by my house for dinner and some drinks?
Y: Uh...nah...that crazy brothel law. Cops might think we're getting cash for ass.


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