You did not get what I meant. I said "what do you mean can you "still" play?" because all I saw you contribute to this thread was inflamatory comments regarding the NPHC and their intake process, and an erroneous comment on a song lyric.

1. Yes it was stupid.

2. Whether they did it by accident or not doesn't matter; they did it.

3. Those that have the power to punish will do it. If the university hasn't got the power it won't.

4. The punishment will be as appropriate as they see fit and they will be the ones who decide it, not you.

5. If people don't like it, don't join and don't associate with them. That is all you can do.

6. Compton is a crap hole. Yes there might be a couple good kids in there, but deal with it. It is a crappy neighborhood...it is in the league of awful neighborhoods to live in.

-Rudey
--Now stop bickering because Rudey laid it down for you

And we should listen to YOU because ...????? :confused:

Because I'm right. By your logic, I'm also from a big city, the biggest and best actually, and I'm telling you Compton is a hole. Hopefully one day it'll get better or you'll be able to move out, but it's a hole.

-Rudey

Move out? When did I say I ever lived there? :confused:

If you read all my posts you would see that I work with the school district and the families there. There are many parts of LA that people live in. I never said where I do, but perhaps Rudey, since you see that I am "LatinaAlumna" you just made an assumption.

Shows how much you pay attention. I also never said anything about people from big cities knowing more, but you and GeekyPenguin over here seem to harp on that. I told ktsnake that since he is from such a small city, I can see why his view might be different. Pay attention.

Yes because you are Latina I assumed you were from Compton. Can you tell how retarded that sounds or no, not yet?

Regardless you have nothing to add to my point. If you really have the power to go punish Pike go do it. If you want to write that they're wrong do that too. Good luck in your endeavors. I'm sure as the champion of Compton you can do anything you put your mind to.

-Rudey

Don't forget that you also went to a good school. That's important too. :D

And I got a perty mouth.

-Rudey

What would the esteemed Justice Scalia say about these shenanigans? Do you think he would use the word shenanigans? I think I'll go read all of his opinions to see, and then I will let you know.

I don't put anything past some of the people on this board.

And if even if you had a point, why would I be trying to add to it? Can YOU tell how STUPID that is?

YOU are like the QUEEN of make-no-sense LAND.

-Rudey

Well, then you better BOW DOWN.

Go rest now, little man. I'm sure throwing these sorry insults has tired out your brain.

This Thread is Like a Train Wreck
 

I don't live in Make-no-sense LAND.

-Rudey
--:cool:

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Hey, it doesn't say anything about train wrecks in the Constitution.

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They don't follow the constitution in the backwoods where you live. Haven't you ever seen deliverance? Stop commenting on it.

-Rudey

I think he would say that Miranda v. Arizona was just some shenanigating by the liberals who want to totally incorporate the Constitution via the 14th Amendment so that people from Compton don't go to jail for thugging.

Thugging is not constitutionally protected.

Damn straight it's not, and it won't ever be.

It might have something to do with the heckler's veto that arose in Feiner v. New York.

p.s. ROLL TIDE

Yes, trivial things like FBI crime statistics have no bearing on the safety of a city or the type of people found there whatsoever, right?

If you use the same search I did and look up Oklahoma City -- which is where I went to high school, worked for 8 years and still do about 90% of my shopping, you'll see it leads Compton in just about every measured area of crime (except for murders, Compton still nearly doubles OKC). While I wouldn't call OKC a "big" city, I would say it has its areas. My HS was an old Catholic HS located in a pretty crappy area of town, we to be locked down several times because some local thugs had decided they were going to try and do a drive by or something.

Because I live in a Suburb and went to college in one doesn't mean that I'm some country bumpkin with no clue what a big city is like. There are good parts and bad parts. As for OKC, I'd still rather not live there although I may be living there in a few months if I get into law school up there.

This thread has been hijacked all to hell. If you don't live in Compton, why do you continue to defend it as such a wonderful place? Why have you chosen not to move there? You "work with" families there and know of professionals, etc.. that live there.. That's nice. Lots of professionals in OKC as well, but a few folks with advanced degrees doesn't make a nice place to raise a family -- well maybe if you have gates, high walls and armed security.

I have yet to see you make a cogent argument as to what exactly makes Compton such a nice place. You may be holding something back... we don't know. So please, either enligthen us.

Most of the work that I do on a daily basis is with this district and city, so that's why I choose to defend them when people put them down--like I feel that those Pikes did with their "Straight Outta Compton" party.

I never said it was a better city than any other, and I even said that it does have problems. All I said originally is that it is NOT AS BAD AS PEOPLE MAKE IT SEEM.

Some of the good things about this city are its many dedicated teachers (who do things like go to a student's home to follow up on them, etc.), long-time residents who are activists for change, and kids who are excelling in academics, sports, and service. Of course, this can be said for MANY CITIES, but what I am saying is that Compton is not as bad and vile as people make it seem, and I don't think it's right to throw parties that try and perpetuate stereotypes. There are other good things that happen in this town that I don't think everyone will understand, such as neighbors pulling together and having yard-sales or selling baked goods so a family won't lose their home. People look out for each other's children, and the word "family" includes much more than just those who live in a particular household. I like that. Also, many people in Compton are grateful for what they do have, whether that may be a lot, or just a little in someone else's eyes. When I go to Compton, I know where I stand with people. I don't encounter anyone who is "fake" towards me. When I lived in Brentwood, I couldn't go anywhere without someone acting snooty or disrespectful.

Some of these things can be found in other places (and I keep feeling the need to say that because some of you don't get it), but don't put down a city if you don't want someone to put down yours. And please don't put down a place if you have never visted.

Latina,

why are you still posting to this thread honey? The argument only briefly focuses on the topic before veering off. Whoever posted about folks being entrenched in their beliefs was right. Just leave these folks to their opinions.

Because you're totally being open-minded. :rolleyes:

Actually I'm not, and neither are most of the folks on the thread. We've picked our sides and are staying there. My opinion remains the same, they can't use stupidity as an excuse if for no other reason than the four or five previous incidents over the last three years were not kept hush hush. It was widely known the damage and hurt that ensued from the OTHER fraternities behavior so to say they didn't think it would be a big deal is a weak argument for me. I've also said I don't think their charter should be yanked but if they aren't willing to at LEAST apologize some sanction against them should be imparted. A majority (or vocal minority) of the people on this thread disagree and there's no point in rehashing it. So as I told Latina, no need to keep posting to change minds, mine or yours, that aren't going to be changed. I'll keep my opinions and you are entitled to yours.

I think someone veered off topic when they started talking about straight outta compton parties.

And yes, people won't change their minds. But it just seems that some people have trouble accepting the fact that they have no control over this. In fact it got so ridiculous, that someone suggested a national program. I don't mean to bash that person, but come on. Who the hell are you to ask if a fraternity has a national program?? And it's not one person so I'm not mention one person - that is the mentality on this thread.

It comes down to this: The person who has control will form their opinion and will do what they feel is right. They are not in a fraternity for you nor do they have to justify their risk management, their party themes, etc. You are free to form your opinion on them. Others can form their opinion on you. And if you have an image developed - that is fine. That is an image that they'll have to fight for a while just like people might have an image of your fraternity/sorority.

-Rudey

As a member of the Greek community at Georgia State and friend of Pi Kappa Alpha I feel as though I need to say something in their defense. There are a lot of things that need to be said.
Action has been taken within the chapter, the members were suspended for six months.
Within 48 hours of the incident, a formal apology was written to the members of Phi Beta Sigma.
The greek community at Georgia State is very small, approximately a little over 20 organizations including NPC, IFC, and NPHC. We all co-exist with minimal assistance from the school. Everything is funded through the individuals of each chapter. Therefore, you have to understand that we're all basically one big organization. Phi Beta Sigma and Pi Kappa Alpha have co-hosted parties before, in attendance were many organizations from all councils.
The "incident" was not an act of racism. However, due to media coverage the whole situation has been blown out of proportion. I know for a fact that some of the members of the chapter have received death treats.
Themed parties, at any time, can offend at least one person. "Cowboys and Indians," "Pimps and Hos," or even a Luau.
At the current moment they are suspended until further notice. IF Pi Kappa Alpha is removed from campus there will be a serious blow to the Greek community at Georgia State.
Before you decide to make any other judgements, learn the facts so that you don't seem ignorant.

I have a serious question -- if it was not an act of racism, what was it?

That's certainly encouraging!

It was the same thing that Dave Chapelle does every week on his show... an act of comedy.
I have a serious question too... If Pike is at wrong then why does Dave Chapelle get a show on television and he constantly makes fun of white people? And he's not the only comedian to ever make fun of a different race, but a small act of comedy by a fraternity at a small school, and they might get kicked off campus?

Actually it's not the same thing. A themed party CAN BE FUNNY but Blackface ISN'T funny. And anyone that thinks it is has a problem. When ANYONE does it the act is NOT funny and in case you didn't know Dave Chapelle is routinely blasted for his choices on what he thinks is FUNNY. He's able to stay on the air for two reasons 1) controversy brings in ratings and 2) he's on cable television not PUBLIC television. His show will never be on NBC or any of the others because the public outcry and boycots would hurt the station. Just like being perceived as a RACIST school can hurt a university which is why the fraternity is in the position they are in now.

Thanks for letting us know about the apology and sanctions, it shows they know what was done was WRONG (ie NOT COMEDY). Unfortunately, as is the case in Greek life, a few people can wreak havoc on the whole and make them suffer harsh punishments.

Apparently I live in a cave because I don't even know who Dave Chapelle is. Anyway, I can't imagine a situation where blackface would not be offensive, considering the history of it. I also think it's inherently more offensive for white people to make fun of black people than vice versa because in our society, white people are the ones in a position of power.

If these boys think that blackface is funny, then I'm afraid they need more education than a University is going to give them.

THE TRUTH
 

First off, these two individuials acted completely separate from their fraternity. Secondly, if you do not attend GA State and didn't attend the party, then you don;t know the truth. These guys are not racist, not in the least bit. I don't know the last time I saw a white guy in any Black Greek Organization. I challenge all of you to become as diverse as this Ga State Univ. PIKE chapter is. And then speak of racism and discrimination. The patry held was a hip hop themed party. NOT celebrating racism. Hip Hop is very cultured including White, Hispanic, Asian and Black. Those at the party were supposed to dress like their favorite rap artists. There were people dressed up like black rappers, and white rappers, such as Eminem and Bubba Sparxx. The party was a PRIVATE party, invitation only. And it was at a PRIVATE house OFF CAMPUS. The fraternity had a BLACK Police officer at the party to oversee it. Why would they get a Black Cop at a "racist party" Since this party alot has happened. GA State has promted racism, defamation, slander, and bigotry. They have violated many of their own rules in their "Code of Conduct" Examples of this are approving a Black Student Alliance flyer, which depicted the PIKES as racist. This flyer is completely fallacious. It showed a picture of a fraternity at Auburn, of a Hunter, a guy in a KKK outfit, and a "blackface" individual with q neuce around his neck. The flyer had TTKA letters on it and said "Happy Black History Month from your friends at TTKA" School allowed this slandarous flyer to be printed and over 100 copies to be posted in all the buildings at school. Keep in mind this is a Campus with a pop. of 25,000+. So it is a big school. Then school allowed an open froum to be held at school. In attendance were about 500 "concerned students" This was nothing but a bash on PIKES. Pikes were threatened, verbally attacked, as well as physically attacked. There was also a black guy parading around with Blackface on. I might be wrong...But isn't this Racial Discrimination on the schools behalf. Or do the rules not apply the same to whites and blacks. I thought we were all "Equal". The Black fraternity members who attended the party and who were "offended" did not want to press charges against the individuals or against the chapter. But for some reason the Asst. Dean of Students pressed charges on the School's behalf. The judicial process has went through for those two individuals, they are awaiting the outcome. Which will most likely be appealed. Thetre are many other legal issues that i won't go into. All I can say is that these guys ar not racist. Don't pass judgement on anyone unless you personally know them. Thanks for all of The GA State students who have posted replies about the truth. And for everyone else- Here is the truth. So why don't you stop Bitching. Nothing aboput this was racist. It was a themed party, and is covered under the 1st and 13th ammendments of The Constitution of the US...you know the one we all Live by. So stop listening to the media, and all the liberal bullshit out there, and open you biased minds. It is ya'll whol look like ignorant pieces of shit talking about stuff without knowing the truth.

Did you seriously just use them having a Black police officer as a sign this wasn't a racist act? You don't have a point.

Pike...perhaps you should take a breath or something. Coming on here calling people ignorant, yata yata, doesn't really help your little cause does it?Why, because You don't have a point.

I don't recall anyone calling the Pikes racist, but the act darn sure was. Also, a Black person can't dress in "Blackface", you really don't understand this issue do you? You don't have a point.

Hip-Hop being a "shared culture" isn't definitive, so that's a shaky argument at best. You don't have a point.

For the record, there are plenty of non-Blacks in NPHC orgs, Again, You don't have a point.

If you want to do your organization, or however you are connected to this a service, don't post anything that makes you look stupid. Nothing you said has any weight, and to insult people because they disagree? WOW, I'm TOTALLY impressed.

No one is saying the things that have happened to the Pikes as a result of this is fair, of course it isn't. But honestly, what did you expect? Let's say I have a "themed party" ; we'll call it Corporate America. Everyone comes dressed in tight slacks with briefcases containing Klan robes, I doubt all the White kids would be singing my praises. You get what you asked for. And there is no way in Holy Heck they didn't know that Blackface was stereotypical, and may result in a couple of asswhoopings. If they didn't, the Pikes are rather dumb, at best.

Thanks for that eloquent reply it's opened my eyes. Let me just say I don't and DIDN't have a problem with the party just the actions of two people who may not BE racists but acted in a RACIALLY offensive manner. Has nothing to do with a liberal agenda but moreso with NOT wanting to deal with someone else's misguided attempt at humor. ANYONE, Black or White, in blackface is JUST WRONG. Again I'm glad you handled the situation and I'm even a bit sorry your organization is taking all of this heat but that happens when people representing any org act stupidly sometimes. If you think the school is letting other folks get away with MURDER call em on it, until then I hope things get better for the rest of you.

It makes NPHC orgs get suspended all the time when one person acts an azz with their letters on.

How is saying Hip hop is diverse not definitive?

How can a black guy wear black face paint, but not a white guy? We got out of racial/gender/religious discrimination years ago!

I never said that having a black cop didn't make it an "unracial" party. I said that if they knew the black cop was going to be there before hand, then why would they go in blackface as a racist act?

Yes, people have called the pikes racist on here, and at GA State.

"For the record," I never said Black Greeks don't have white people, I said all the ones I've seen don't. And I've seen quite a few.

I guess I'm not up to date, I didn't know that corporate America carries Klan robes in their briefcases. And if you wanted to do it, go right ahead, it's your freedom of expression. But lets say you held the party at your house, do you think that your Employer should get involved, as the school did with the PIKES?

So in conclusion, what I say has a lot of "weight" It's just that your small mind is so one-track You are not willing to look at both sides of a story.

msn4med1975
Thanks for being open minded.

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Do you read or just type?
I could point out more holes in this argument, but it serves no point. Doesn't really matter anyway, they've gotten their punishment. Perhaps you should go help them "get it together" instead of coming on the internet to argue, you stated your opinion, as I stated mine. Case Closed On My End
All that extraforaneous "small-minded" dialogue wasn't necessary. I'm not Greek and I don't attend GA State, so my interest in this issue is limited. I simply stated an opinion.

There is no justification for those two individuals doing what they did. Yet, as soon as they arrived at the party they were told to wipe the shoe polish off. Like I said, this whole situation has been blown out of proportion. Yes, I think it offended people, but the extreme measures that have been taken after the fraternity suspended the members and wrote an apology letter are completely uncalled for. Legal action, in my opinion, was not neccessary. The TWO individuals and the chapter members as a whole have received threats, for the total of two seconds that they had "blackface" on. Once again, action has been taken for those two individuals by the fraternity, I see no purpose in suspending the entire chapter. Clearly they've shown maturity in handling the matter as quickly as they did.

I have never seen or heard of a white person in an NPHC organization, it just doesn't happen. Who'd want to join a tiny city wide chapter versus, a large or medium sized chapter at a single school (instead of allowing members from multiple schools).

The long and the short of it is, this is a completely BS event, they DID NOT BREAK A LAW and they were on campus.

I love liberals who wave the Freedom of Speech and Expression banner around, but then if it is something they disagree with then screw freedom of Speech.

I hope the PiKEs are exhonorated and people like you shut your mouth about every little percieved "injustice" against you. People are sick of the race card constantly being played.

are you stupid? i've seen white folks in all 9 NPHC organizations. maybe if you'd step out of that small box you call a mind, you'd see that. do you even know anything about black greek organizations? or are you just a small minded twit? maybe the NPHC chapters would be a little bit bigger if we were less selective of our membership instead of taking anyone who can do 20 shots in an hour (ignorant stereotype, but hey...sometimes you gotta sink to this level). in fact, i'm not even black for your information. if people like you are sick of other folks plaing the "race card" then people like those pikes should stop being bigots.