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hey!!!! why am i a 2 headed monster???? ;)

what did i do to deserve that??? ;)

(oh and by the way seeing someone else with "cash" in front of their name freaks me out)

hijack
 

speaking of cashmoney, remember cashmoney records with juvenile ....'back that thing up'? ugh:rolleyes:

H***, D***, S****, P***!

No matter what anyone says, It aint me!:D

I cant write that well let along typo that bad! ( Meaning Good)!;)

Geeze , Is this post done yet?:p

S****, wearing my self out trying to follow the What's its Ass! Da Ha!:( :o

Begone Witch/Werewolf/ warlock! I am now placing a Hex on to You!

So Sue Me!:D If you get warts, gray scragglty hair, and bony elbows with no aloe available!:p

Elevate me above this plane.;)

I bless this ground where this person will be laid to rest!

Always wanted to be a Anglican Preist!;) MOM said No!:D

tom, are you okay?:confused:

thats the question of the year

Empress Cream :D,
You can Fed Ex food (my mom did that for me for my birthday freshman year), but it does cost a pretty penny! :)

I completely agree with you about learning something from many people who regularly post here. Some of these threads are "for fun", but I've learned a lot about different topics and various organizations through reading and posting here on GG. Being angry is too much to handle....being happy is so much nicer! :)

Ugh. Damasa do not ever do that. "My picture said "this is the room of people who care." Nothing more".

That, is an out and out lie. I know it as do you. Tacky. The picture/link to picture you posted was a large graphic with the words ATTENTION WHORE in huge capital letters and a female assuming a gymnastics pose legs akimbo. You might have later edited your post so all it had was a far more innocuous 'no-one cares' type of pic but you know full well my comment lashing out at you was due to the post you made. NOT what you later changed it into.
There's a big difference to making a personal insult i.e. name calling (1st post) and just having said "nobody cares". In reference to the picture posted originally which is the post I responded to and your comment "it was a joke, you chose to take it as more than that, that wasn't my fault in the least" I beg to differ: it was a personal attack - name calling and you know it. Editing posts to make them less offensive after the fact to try and make me look as if I overeacted to an unprecented degree is "unpleasant".

As far as my overreacting which is what you implied; I think you can also 'guess' that while your namecalling post was a catalyst to my comment... it would have been crazy for me to have suddenly posted that if it were a single incident. But there have been many (too many) threads where you attempt to read something into a post of mine, apparently argue for sake of it with comments like 'you weren't even there' (risk mgmt, cornell) or similar, and all out attacks (bug thread).
Lest you forget, it was you who caused me to create my sigline about attacking groups/orgs when you chose to bring my entire glo interest group into the equation, just to try and make a cheap personal attack on me. There are things that should not be done. My p.o.a comment was simply a result of being pushed and pushed across multiple forums by you with the last comment simply being one to 'break the camel's back'. Pushing someone until they retaliate then later attempting to hold that retaliation over their head like some Sword of Damocles doesn't work when the retaliation arose as a result of your actions.

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... I may reply to the thread in general later, but that is what I was replying to for now.

Guy - note the original pic I posted was up for TWO seconds, I edited it out as fast as it doesn't even note it in the bottom of the post, because I realized it was in bad taste, lay off of it. I had realized it wasn't an appropriate pic and I changed it post haste, don't dwell on it guy. I will push you if I feel you need it. Like I said I do tend to find you annoying and I find it very offensive considering you aren't even greek, to talk to other greeks as if you should tell us what to do, what to consider, or by giving us your advice.

Ugh, as you say. That is my real problem with you, you aren't greek and I feel that you act as if you know quite a bit more than people that actually are greek certain times.

If you toned it down, there would be no problem.

To take a quote that has been used many many times, "From the outside looking in, you can never understand it, from the inside looking out, you can never explain it."

If I wanted to "name calll" on you, I would, plain and simple.

Edited to add: As for arguing with you in orther posts "cornell" and whatever "bug" thread you are talking about; man, that's life, I don't have to agree with you and there is nothing wrong with what I posted in that cornell thread. The simple fact is that you posted something that could have possibly not been true, and I didn't agree with it, so I posted otherwise. I do not have to agree with you and most of the time I don't, nothing wrong with that.

take advice from someone who tends to take things too seriously- TAKE A CHILL PILL PEOPLE!

No, but I will take a mocha latte, with one packed of sweet and low! No?

Oh, btw, your caps lock=broken.



Disclaimer: My mocha latte line is a joke to smiley21.

yeah yeah. i get your tired old joke:p
my caps lock is just fine thank you very much.

Does that mean I don't get one then?

I'll get you a new caps lock!!

you can have it, but i wont be happy about it. speaking of which, i have to go now. i need some sleep so i can serve the wonderful mocha latte customers early in the morning.:rolleyes:

Blaine, will you sleep with me?

I'm tired of hearing all the "thats life" comments. All thats doing is solidifing some of you take cheap shots and expect no one to come back at you, and if they come back at you a little worse than what you came at them with some of you then get mad and report their posts. If I recall correctly UFpike told many of you who are now saying thats life or thats my opinion and yet he and the V's, along with I'mthechamp, got banned for doing exactly that. Some of you are completely missing the point behind the message. And to say that because someone in CHIT-CHAT, of all places, is not greek and you find it rude that they are giving advice because of that? Whats that got to do with anything? Chit Chat is not GREEK LIFE! This place is starting to turn into a cesspool!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Oh my...:eek:

:D
I need to start looking for someone who'll sleep with me ;)

Please, if you don't have anything intelligent to say in regards to the issues of this thread or a topic related to it, LEAVE! All you're doing is posting things in this thread which are non-topic related.

I don't know if you think you're funny, TOMEARP, by posting the way you do but on a topic like this I'd like to think you could actually talk right for a change and try to act like the ripe ole age you are. Sometimes I just think you're always drunk on GC by the way you post. It may have been funny 2 and 1/2 yrs ago, but it's not anymore. You are are one of the people who gets away things more often than others. You've posted things in the past that could be considered racists, you pick on certain people and I've seen you taunt people on GC in the past. You have a PM coming your way.

you rang?

oh - well, let's look at it like this: why do we have GLOs, then a separate set of HBGLOs? Don't you think the split here mirrors the split there, in some small way?

For instance - NPHC organizations were started with specific interests and goals of the black community in mind, and while these are certainly goals that can be (and should be) embraced by the white folk, they concentrate on the black community and its needs more than any other.

Perhaps this same logic can apply to our greekchat communities - the HBGLO forums tend toward topics more pertinent and important to their members, and they happen to hold discussion in a much different (and efficient, and entertaining, and...) manner than the chitchat crowd does.

Does this make sense? I feel like certain parallels exist here, but I don't think I'm making the connections on paper. I think the main point is the backgrounds of the very organizations involved would seem to play a role in each particular side of greekchat ('white' and 'black', or more appropriately 'GLO' and 'HBGLO') embracing the community aspects that it does.

I think people might have missed this, so I'll point it out for them -




THE V's?????

You are absolutely ridiculous. The second the discussion turned against you, you flipped out, and in your anger you have made little to no sense at all. Grow up - 'cesspool'? God - I think you need to keep two things in mind:

1.) Your opinion counts for no more than anyone else's.
2.) Your way of doing things, while probably beautiful and sublime inside your ivory tower, is not implicitly any better than anyone else's.

Until you learn these two important life lessons, and learn to deal with people and things that you don't agree with, you will be the bitter, unhappy person that your posts make you out to seem.

Oh and also - Take off the sock puppet already, so that I can ignore all of your posts under your other name(s).

But why should some of us stop right here and not reveal things about someone? Because it tarnishes their GLO and their credibility on GC? Some people have done some really nasty things to people on here, even current moderators. I hate to keep going back to UFpike or the Vs for an example, but didn't some people here even go to certain peoples GLO chapter and nationals about them on GC as well as other chapters that they never claimed to be a part of? Were they not publicly and openly ridiculed on GC because some people didn't like those people? Your statement is an example of how some people think it's ok to do one thing to one person but not the same to another. I'm not wanting to start an arguement with you but thats another example of a double standard.

cash what she means is that things are being taken care of. And once they are, one of us or probably one of the mods will fill everyone in and everything will come to light....

Believe me if it doesn't I'll be glad to open my mouth :D

Things will happen, you'll see....It's just that it involves a lot of people and we're all a little hesitant to say anything until we know what's up for sure.

My posts were mostly on target. I can't expect a lot of people to admit my viewpoint has validity, that would make them look bad.

In the spirit of all this honesty, figured I'd point out that someone in this thread already ripped that puppet off. 3???? pages ago I think.....

Don't worry I don't think anyone else noticed it, you're like the 4th person to say that.







I feel like Captain Obvious over here ;)

To my knowledge the only time this happened...when someone was questioned or brought up to in their respective National GLO...is when the V's contacted a member's GLO claiming harassment?!?! I could be wrong though.

cashmoney, I'm quite sure I know who you are / what your other GC username(s) is. It seems to me that you are a disgruntled ex-member of GC who has been banned several times. If I am incorrect about that, please feel free to verify with me your other username so that I can take your comments more seriously. If you are unsure why I would not take your discussion seriously knowing who you are - you did not take it seriously when you were asked many times to stop causing problems on the site. You were given ample opportunity to participate on GC in a reasonable manner, but you chose not to do so. Banning you had nothing at all to do with treating you unfairly. It was your choice to continuously cause problems - you were given more than a fair chance at this. I'm sorry that you are upset about this, but it really is of your own doing.

[Let me also add that if cashmoney by some chance turns out to be someone other than who I believe they are - I sincerely apologize in advance for my mis-identification.]

Now for something totally random

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Damn yo. This be some serious chit for John to have to come down off the GC mountain with his 10 commandments to handle biznass. That mean, straighten up. I'll take John's comments one step further. You dont have to be a rocket scientist, just someone whos a self proclaimed member of the hierarchy (3+years membership and counting) to figure out a pattern. Honestly youre not the first Johnny or Janey come lately to get disgrunteled and create 6 diff accounts to start agreeing with yourself. Its simple. If we've never seen you before Sept 2003 and all the sudden youre hella up into arguments on here, were gonna be "um, no" WHY? Because 99.8989% of peeps who are legit to this board and registerd in Sept 2003 or recently, REALLY DONT CARE WHAT OTW allegadly did to the V's, or Svergle. Why would they?!? They dont even know who they are. They wanna knwo about greek life, and then miagrate into chat land. Serously, in the 3 years I've been on here, its a pattern. Do you really think you are that creative, with 15,000 registered members, that any trix you got up your sleeve have never been tried before and done called out? PLZ. You aint that cool. Or that creative. Not only has chit been done before, and shopped at that store, but a couple of franchises have been sold. Let it go."

Post commenting on an earlier post in thread
 

Guy - note the original pic I posted was up for TWO seconds, I edited it out as fast as it doesn't even note it in the bottom of the post, because I realized it was in bad taste, lay off of it. I had realized it wasn't an appropriate pic and I changed it post haste, don't dwell on it guy.
My point was you know my p.o.a. comment which you are dwelling and dwelling on to use against me, was made in response to the original post (hell, it quoted it).

Like I said I do tend to find you annoying
So why not ignore me? ZetaAce's advice about if yr gonna butt heads with someone use the feature; we know I can't use it due to the way it works.

…and I find it very offensive considering you aren't even Greek, to talk to other Greeks as if you should tell us what to do, what to consider, or by giving us your advice. That is my real problem with you, you aren't greek and I feel that you act as if you know quite a bit more than people that actually are greek certain times.
This paragraph I do not understand at all. I'd like for someone to explain it to me, perhaps someone else?? Firstly my not being Greek: Now you know this from threads I started like 'starting glo on non-greek campus' and various others all about starting up a greek org on my campus.
Yes, I could possibly have started up a *local* professional fraternity, named it with Greek letters - which would have magically appeased you :rolleyes: since it made me “Greek”, would have made me “acceptable” in your eyes, and then later worked on building it then trying to get the existing local picked up by an International. But I did not have an interest in doing that, my interest was in being a part of an international, and in my chosen field so it made sense- to me - to simply create an interest group to hopefully one day petition for a charter.

All the people going through recruitment (rush) who come to gc are also not Greek! But like me they have an interest in Greek Life and wanna embrace it/be a part of it ??? It’s different if they are not Greek NOR WISH TO BE.
So far as I see, someone who is not Greek you think does not have a place on here and should leave? The way I see it is people with a legitimate interest in Greek Life either because they're Greek/aspire to be/are trying to be etc "belong". Anyone who really isn't interested in greek life at all or whose only interest is to attempt to post flamebait trying to destroy it is a different matter and a troll. Rest assured since I have spent lots of time in conversation with a fraternity, met actives of it by arrangement with their IHQ, and have already set up an interest group to petition said glo at some hopeful future point that attacking greek life is clearly not my goal. I do not understand your comments.
I have never claimed to be Greek, never said I was, never had letters in my signature nor a Fraternity name. Announcing I'm not Greek just makes me wonder what your point is. Uhm hello?? I *know* it is something I am still working on. I didn't submit a constitution to my Student Union the other day for fun! Anyone who reads my posts also knows I'm not an initiate but have a genuine interest in greekdom and am working on working hard to be a part of it. Hence my presence.
Of course I try to say something when people post just in case my comments might end up being helpful/useful/insightful to them; often a different perspective is useful. That’s why I as you say “give my advice” - It’d be hypocritical IMHO to not lift a finger in response to other posts which’re probably of great importance to the people who posted them, when I have had so much help MYSELF.

I’m been giving all this some thought recently, and as far as I see it I post three types of posts.
1) Asking for feedback/advice on issues concerned with starting up a greek org. at my school
2) Giving my opinion on OTHER’S questions/attempting to help others who come to the board for help because to do so otherwise would be hypocritical or parasitic. Like Curtis Sliwa said it’s less about the 'I' and 'me', and more about the 'us' and 'we. If they find my well-intentioned comments totally useless then it becomes IMHO simply a nice gesture all the same!
3) Chitchat random stuff, this movie that movie or whatever or issue of the day (basically non-greek stuff) when it's time to kick back and chill or if there's an interesting debate.
... 4) Attacking others with personal remarks out of nowhere to cause trouble, having no legitimate interest in the forum’s subject just an interest in causing trouble and getting an angry reaction. #4 does not apply to me. Yet you maybe infer otherwise.?

If I wanted to "name calll" on you, I would, plain and simple.
My point was you did.

Edited to add: As for arguing with you in other posts "cornell" and whatever "bug" thread you are talking about; man, that's life, I don't have to agree with you and there is nothing wrong with what I posted in that cornell thread. The simple fact is that you posted something that could have possibly not been true, and I didn't agree with it, so I posted otherwise. I do not have to agree with you and most of the time I don't, nothing wrong with that.
People disagreeing with each other on this forum cool, partly what it's there for -- that makes it debate. People disagreeing with me is also welcome - I do not believe anyone died and made me God! But there is clear disagreeing with someone for the sake of it in a non-constructive way versus disagreeing to put across a different point of view/simply stating disagreement. No there’s nothing wrong with disagreeing with the next person but facile comments like “you weren’t there” I don’t get. I wasn’t in Alabama (although OT I am next week :p …), I haven’t extensively interviewed the judge and everyone involved yet I still gave my view - even though I “wasn’t there” - I still commented on the ten commandments thread - the forum is chitchat. So I did.

I'd agree with this - I think the Mods on the BGLO boards really don't let anything get out of hand; not to criticize the other Moderators on other boards, I just think there are different philosophies in running each.

Recently, the bglo boards have also been tackling more serious subjects, more think subjects than the other boards; the debate has been solid, largely without name-calling and outrageous statements, and people kind of agree to disagree.

It's not a bad thing or a good thing - it just is what it is.

Hmmmmm

There's only five members that I know of who has had multiple usernames...all I have to say about this cashmoney thing...it wasn't me!!!

1. I have not had beefs with any moderators over a year. I have nothing to complain about.

2. I have not had beefs with any other members within the last few months. Again, I have nothing to complain about.

3. Those loooooooong posts. The longest my posts get is about three paragraphs. I wish I could keep the train of thought to type page(s) long posts. :p


I just wanted to clear that up.

History is important.
 

I think to answer your question, it might be helpful to read your American History book covering Civil War to Present. And also read about the founding of each of the D9 orgs. We all have our history books in the library. But, I will review a quick history lesson here.

The reason that there was a split between HBGLOs and WGLOs is because many of the WGLOs were started towards the end and right after slavery in this country. Although there were a few Blacks who were taught to read and write during slavery, many were not encouraged to seek higher education. And for the few who did, it was not easy.

During the Reconstruction Era in this country (1870 - 1900) there was a federal law that established 'separate but equal', thus many present-day HBCUs were founded to give freed slaves an education. The freed slaves could be educated, but many, especially in the South, could not be educated in historically White universites. Think back when the government tried to integrate Ole Miss in the 60's. Thus, Blacks did not have the opportunity to join GLOs like Kappa Alpha Order and ADPi (named as examples only) because they were not allowed to attend schools that had chapters there.

HBGLOs focus on the Black community because we realized during our founding, which started in 1906 with Alpha Phi Alpha, that the best way for us to make it in this country is to help one another. That is why HBGLOs are considered service organizations. We do all we can to service our community. For us, it is part of our motto.

I think the point I was attempting to make is that no one but you actually appears to care about this topic. ;)

Sigma Diva, Thanks for the history lesson. You put the founding of the Divine 9 and HBCUs in context for me. :)

I am with lifesaver. This is a big deal if the great John Hammell posts.

cashmoney, I think that you would have more credibility if you posted under your user name or told us what that name is. Right now you seem to be having a temper tantrum for everyone on GC to read.

I agree with how OTW wants to handle that situation. I am not a moderator. I have been here for 2 years. I must say that the overwhelming majority of the time the moderators have done a great job. I am certain that they will again now. :)

Actually the poster Cashmoney makes a good and intellegent argument. Many of which are right on. I am not sure how rectifiable the situation is, or even how urgent it is.

The people that have posted on topic, on both sides of the issue, have done a pretty good job of stating their positions.

I am just not sure what anyone wants to come of it.

1. Is there favoritism on GC? Absolutely.

2. Are there people that hate other people on GC and will talk badly about them at any given opportunity? Absolutely.

3. Are there cliques on GC? Absolutely.

4. Are some of the cliques pretty negative? Subjective, but absolutely.

5. Are there IM/Pm networks of people that share hatred of people? Absolutely.

6. Are there really nice people that enjoy GC? Absolutely.

7. Are there people that don't get involved in the silly stuff on here, or even care about it? Absolutely. Probably 80 percent of the posters.

S&S: No offence to you... But I care about it a bit either way. John's intervention & comments have perhaps called cashmoney's motives into question but the first post in the thread, justamom's comments and a whole bunch of others have struck a chord. This thread, though various names have been mentioned in it isn't about any one, two or three people; examples are used just to give a frame of reference to make thing clear. So even if a question marks hangs over the intentions of this thread’s creation then hopefully we can still make something useful out of it. :)

1) I see FAR too many posts these days with some sort of disclaimer in them "this isn't a flame post/don’t take this the wrong way" type message attached. We all know a flame post subtle or otherwise. Even I've found myself typing dumb disclaimers. I'm thinking what am I doing?! There's too much walking on eggshells going on here. It's either not a flamey thing hence no need for a disclaimer (!!!!) or it is - in which case the Send button should not be clicked :). The disclaimer thing might have its place but not to such frequency. It’s been picked up on by others too, here and in the glo forums - NPHC or otherwise. I just think it’s a shame people think they have to do that with a perfectly harmless post just in the hope of not being attacked. :(

2) And I've seen far too many replies which start out or contain "I don't really care about this topic..." in which case ok start one close to your heart! :) Though the large part of gc stuff interests me I don’t have an interest in some specific items discussed sometimes - inevitably - but I don’t wander into the thread to announce how I don’t really care about it!
Thread drift, where the item being discussed changes over time, happens; on mailing lists or whatever else. I mean, if say the movie Gattaca was being discussed, then genetics would come into conversation, then the moral issues concerning them, then religion ... sooner or later comes a point when the original topic is lost. Now, when that happens organically it might be one thing but people jumping on threads they have no interest in to wreck it is another. Starting up a new thread is allowed too.

4) Jumping on points where it seems to be more like a sport to do so and less in the interests of furthering debate or reaching goals. It isn’t consigned to any one forum, any part of GreekChat. I’ve seen on the NPHC forums links to threads posted with a message "Flame away people!! <smiley>". I’m not saying stupidity should be ignored or knocked on the head or that suddenly no-one has a right to reply, just that going into discussions and making comments until the thread becomes impossible to have any further constructive debate in seems to be happening a fair bit. Not consigned to any one forum!

5) Possible motives for it's originally being brought up aside, the hierarchy (one rule for the aristocracy ;) ) has some truth in it OR at least merits comment. The point that something posted by one person is one thing but when that same sorta thing is posted by someone else it’s "Oh that's just ole Dillon. Bless his heart he's a card" (I dunno if we have Dillons here I was just trying to be non-specific to any one person). And I am aware 'knowing' some people allows us to understand nothing was meant and the remark was misinterpreted I’m talking more about “difficult” posts which are just that, ‘cept posted by one of the people who’re somehow allowed to do so. I've in more than one post attempted to justify why I'm here (God only knows why I bothered doing that) so moving on from the fact I am here why do I care? Well in response to the taking it too seriously crew, no GreekChat isn't my life, non-participation on my or the next person's part will not mean Armageddon, I do little to solve world hunger with my :p posts - but for one reason or another ALL legitimate users find GreekChat useful so it'd be a shame for things to deteriorate to the point it's not quite such a good place to be. I find it a useful, enriching resource.
This whole debate has come up before:

Now let's try replacing "on GC" with "in the real world."

1. Is there favoritism in the real world? Absolutely.

2. Are there people that hate other people in the real world and will talk badly about them at any given opportunity? Absolutely.

3. Are there cliques in the real world? Absolutely.

4. Are some of the cliques pretty negative? Subjective, but absolutely.

5. Are there networks of people that share hatred of people in the real world and will talk isht about them behind their backs? Absolutely.

6. Are there really nice people that enjoy life in the real world, even given these drawbacks? Absolutely.

7. Are there people that don't get involved in the silly drama in their offline lives? Absolutely. Probably 80 percent of them.


I just don't understand why people expect this to be so different from the way things are offline. Yes, we have moderators here -- something that is lacking in the offline world -- but they're not supposed to serve as our parents. What are they supposed to do to fix this situation? Say, "Kath, Blaine, and Heather -- you guys aren't allowed to be friends because that's too cliquey and other people on GC are upset by it"? Give me a break.

The reason that posters that have been here a while get cut more slack than those who haven't is that we know the context of their posts. Yeah, we know damasa can be a jer :p but we also know that he is an awesome guy who is serious about 90 percent of the things he posts. We know Rudey can come off as an ass, but we also know that he's just messing around. New posters don't get the same benefit of the doubt.

Now it would be great if the moderators were one hundred percent fair and objective and wonderful and were able to please everyone all the time, but guess what? They're human, they see things subjectively, and they can't. I know that even those at the "top of the GC heirarchy," people who have been here for years or people who have thousands of posts, even moderators, have had posts deleted or contributed to getting threads locked. Nobody is immune to it.

You have a PM!;)