There's a BIG difference between trading letters for 2 weeks (we did this during Derby Daze for whoever our coaches were that year) and doing the walk of shame looking like crap in a letter shirt that you obviously took from the guy you boffed the night before. Not cool. As for the "brother" excuse - I would think her brother would know if the chapter at her school wasn't down with nonmembers wearing letters.

He sounds like a very petty, stuck up jerk himself.

First off, you're still here?

Second, are my letters any less sacred if they're on a shirt...? Absolutely not.

Eh, eventually he'll tire of trying to prove his Fratiness and mellow out, or leave.

And FIJIs have a thing about their letters (they can only be on Badges and Official Houses)- which is why they wear FIJI shirts, instead of PhiGam block letters.

Ah! I didn't know the owners' names :D They are indeed an awesome store, which reminds me I should stop back in when I visit next.

He annoys me. I understand there's a certain eliteness to being Greek since we were chosen to be in our respective orgs, but there's no need to be an utter snob about it like he's been. Not being Greek doesn't make you any less of a person. I don't prounce around in my Zeta gear because I think it makes me look cool (like I bet he does) and I damn sure wouldn't be upset if I saw a homeless person (man or woman) wearing my letters on some hoodie - I would be glad she had something to keep her warm, however she came upon the garmet (ok, that last part was a side note, but whatever).

My point to him is, mature a little and think before you make stupid broad generalizations like he has been all over GC.

And btw, just because I'm Southern, doesn't make me a Greek snob - I actually believe in my creed, thank you very much, and there's nothing in there that says being Greek, or a Zeta in particular, makes me better than anyone else.

"To be true to ourselves and to those within and without our circle... to find satisfaction in being rather than seeming, thus strengthening in us the higher qualities of the spirit... to look for the good in everyone...striving ever to make our lives a symphony of high ideals, devotion to the Right, the Good, and the True, without a discordant note..."

You annoy people, as do I. It's TEH INTARWEBS. Move on.

Fair enough. BTW, nice use of LOLCats (at least that's the only place I've seen spelling like that used).

Yes, Fratty is still here. BTW...what was his first alias?
I'm ready to do a new thread on the Split Personalities of some of our GC'rs.

I was just saying that my GLO can't have our letters on shirts, its a national thing, not local. I can't believe anyone was offended by that... seriously.

I highly doubt that people took offense to your GLO's national policy on letters.

Based on the posts you leave, I believe it was YOU they found offensive, even in an innocent post in a thread like this.

It's all in the way you state things that makes them come across as offensive. Like I suggested before, thinking before you make statements like that may save you from GCers like myself getting on your case and consistently quoting your posts to call you out.

Ooh, yeah, do it! :D

Oh the irony.;):p

Sorry, girl, you set yourself up. Thanks.

I don't doubt that one bit and I knew you'd catch that ;) BUT, and I think you will agree, that I certainly learned a lesson here on GC and I've definitely made a concerted effort to practice what I preach. TEH INTARWEBS R SO HARSCH! :rolleyes:

Yes, I will agree that you've been less n00b lately.:p;)

I don't care what you think, its just ridiculous to get your panties in a bunch over a completely innocent post. I don't agree with most of the posters on this board, I'm on here because there are a few people that I like on here and there are occasionally good ideas.

Fine, don't take my advice. You gotta grow up some day... :rolleyes:

It's a "once bitten, twice shy" thing. I say innocent things that a lot of times get taken snarky, because I am generally snarky (for entertainment value only...all in good fun...usually).

I guess thats just the cross we bear.

:)

ETA: I find it humorous that SthrnZeta is the poster who can't get over PhiGam. :D Keep doing your thing PhiGam dude. Whether you intentionally do it or not.

I read this and thought about this thread:

Kim Cattrall may wear fur in the movies, but she doesn't in real life.

I’m told Cattrall has made arrangements for PETA to receive the four white furs she wears in the upcoming Sex and the City movie. The coats were used for separate takes of a scene in which PETA-like activists splatter Jones' coat with red paint.

The animal-rights group will distribute the coats to the homeless. Furs donated to PETA are given to the homeless, used in protests and displayed in various animal-rights exhibitions and events. “The only people who can be excused for wearing fur are the homeless—to keep warm during the winter,” says PETA rep Michael McGraw.

McGraw says about 15,000 furs have been donated to PETA in the last 15 years. And yes, PETA cleans the pelts to get rid of the red paint. However, the group shaves a section down and covers it with a PETA patch because, says McGraw, "It drastically reduces its resale value."

Sorry to interrupt the catfight. ;)

/hijack

Yeah yeah.... :rolleyes:

continuing the hijack
 

If you're anti-fur, why would you wear real fur in a movie that's going to be seen by millions and will probably increase the cachet of fur with younger women? Plus, why does it make it any better that PETA will get the coats and gives them away - the animals are still dead! These aren't going to be old furs from Grandma's closet from before the days when people were more enlightened about all this - they're probably going to be custom made (and killed) for the film.

Sorry, but this is a subject that I get really hyper about (having owned a fur-bearing animal as a pet).

I agree, if she was really anti-fur, she'd have fake ones made for the movie and wear those instead, and maybe even have a note about the furs not being real in the credits.

the animals have already been destoyed and are not coming back, no matter what happens to the coats. the coats might as well be used for some good, and donating them to homeless people who are freezing on the streets seems like a good thing, but maybe your point was why have the furs in the movie in the first place, and that is a point well taken. i imagine that kim cattrall has enough star power to refuse to wear the furs without any negative outcome to her contract or paycheck.

it reminds me of a woman i saw years ago who had on a thigh-length fur coat that had all these tails hanging off it-it looked like she was being attacked by a troop of rabid squirrels. how anyone could think that looked attractive is beyond me.

:)

Yes, that was exactly my point. Her taking a stand and not wearing them at all would make a lot more of an impression on young women than donating the coats to PETA.

I wonder if she didn't know about the fur until the coats were purchased/whatever by wardrobe. By that point, wearing them and donating them would have been the best option. Wearing fake fur would still cause the same "fur is cool" effect because few people would look for a disclaimer.

Really taking a stand would be not wearing the fur at all, and face it, it IS in Samantha's character to wear it. And perhaps she doesn't have the pull to get that changed. There was a lot of in-fighting between the actresses by the end of the show, and a smart director/producer would have gotten a tight contract.

I think homeless people should get them instead of them being thrown in the trash as someone mentioned since the animal is already dead.

However, I am not animal activist and I love fur. So there would be an arse kicking in store for anyone who threw paint on me.

I'm a little surprised that H-F and other paraphenalia companies arent' stricter about selling items. Whenever I've ordered pins or such from the DAR or its jeweler (Caldwell), they need the membership number AND whether or not you're earned the pin involved. Frankly, we call them Girl Scouts on speed, but when you belong to an organization, you play by their rules.

As for fur, I have one fur that's in fantastic condition, but is also about 80 years old. Those critters' great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren are probably dead. I also have a faux fur that's so realistic, a furrier didn't believe me until I showed her the tags. I would be seriously ticked off if someone tried to paint my coats!

Besides, PETA isn't as ethical as they make out to be, IMHO. Opening cages to let sick animals to fend for themselves isn't ethical, it's murderous. Those poor things don't know how to take care of themselves. Also, I've heard that PETA isn't even in favor of people owning pets! Can someone confirm that?

I have a chapter sister that's pretty big into PETA (dead animal pics on her Myspace and all) - and she owns a dog that she treats better than most people treat their children. So I know not ALL PETAs believe that (if any even do).

honeychile: That way of thinking may be antithetical to their message, since they advocate humane treatment of animals. If no one owned animals, then there would be a whole lot of stray dogs and cats that would be euthanized. Now, I am not in PETA, so I don't know, but logically, I don't think that would make sense. :confused:

Sidenote: I think where people are getting that from is due to the fact that PETA is lobbying to have Michael Vick banned from ever owning pets... http://www.peta.org/mc/InTheNews/arc...ll&ID=5&page=3

Here is their stance...

Basically, if it's a stray, it's ok, but you shouldn't buy from pet shops (because of puppymills) or let your pets breed. It seems like their idea is that if no more puppies or kitties are bred, eventually there won't be any more, so none of them will suffer.

I've also heard that once they rescue animals from shelters/puppymills/fur factories, they kill them anyway. It really seems like they're more for the extinction of animals than anything.

I would have to agree with AlphaFrog here. I am wary of any type of extremism, and they seem like extremists, after visiting their site. Plus, whenever I think of them, I think of Lacey from Rock of Love and also throwing red paint on people in streets. Yuck.

Has anybody else noticed that PETA is a sponsor of NPC and listed on the NPC website?

That surprised me.

Where did you see that? We are talking about npcwomen.org, right?

http://www.npcwomen.org/about/sponsor-directory.aspx

And yes, it is there. Surprising to me, as well... Hmmm.

Look... I'm sorry but there is NO WAY that Samantha would wear FAKE FUR! Oh, the humanity! :)