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Thank you.

Some people think everything is racism.

I agree with you but that's not the way it is.

You can figure out this answer on your own, Tom. What does it take to get a charter and what does it take to keep a charter and/or active chapter?

I think that's great you're still involved with your sorority. You should be. Kappa Delta should stay with you til the day you die. Keep it up.:)

And alot of the whites in that organization would prefer to be surrounded by other whites outside of their service projects, hence why many of them have or will join a nonBGLO.

Really?

I surround myself with people I love--it has nothing to do with the color of their skin. Sorry to disappoint you. If we had had a BGLO at my college, I would have definitely looked at it in the same way as I looked at the PHC sororities.

Yes, really.

I feel ya. I remember when I went to Ohio State to visit with the Zeta Chapter Nupes and I saw WGLOs for the 1st time. I said to myself what is that???? I tried to remember some of them and the ones I did remember, I did some research and found out how old they were. Some were founded at the turn of the 20th Century but most were not. They were founded during the 19th Century. I thought this was interesting, but if I didn't go to a Historical Black college I still would have pledged Kappa Alpha Psi never an organization outside the Divine 9. I think Divine 9 orgs. do more including community service. My opinion:p

Yes, I definitely DO think women with that background would "fit in" with the chapter of my sorority I was in--I hung out with these women on a regular basis, and they also hung out with the rest of my sorority sisters. We had sisters from all ethnic backgrounds--what I am saying is that SOME of the ladies that were offered bids did not accept them, based solely upon the fact that KD was not a BGLO.

I guess I gotta agree with the Delta. I wouldn't do anything if Kappa didn't exist. Nothing else fits me.

LOL

They don't know. That's the chance they take. When I went to the interest meeting for Kappa there were 219 guys there. 7 of us got picked to pledge, 1 dropped out and 6 of us made it in. BGLOs are hard to get into, at least they were on my campus.

LOL

Kappa Delta you sound very intelligent and a lot of the things you say make so much sense, and I think it's great you don't label but most people are always going to label. Sad but that's the way this country has always been. People here will always see color and label.

LOL

Good points Frat. Good points!

Hey, can somone clarify this for me. I've noticed that when WGLOs post pictures of their orgs. on the internet, why do some of them cover the faces of some of the members, as if their not members anymore. Can someone explain this to me?

I second that!!

For the duration of formal recruitment, NPC sororities have women who disaffiliate from their organizations to serve as recruitment counselors to Prospective New Members. They assist PNMs by answering questions and leading recruitment groups.

They cannot reveal their sorority, so they remain neutral and don't influence their PNMs, and that is why their faces are covered on chapter websites. Their affiliations are revealed once recruitment is over, on Bid Day.

I'm not too sure about this, but I think the reason why, is that the women who have their faces covered up in pictures on the internet are Rush Counselors for their school's Formal Rush. From what I know, as long as they are guiding potential sorority pledges through Formal (Social [meaning not cultural] sororities hold one large scale Rush on their particular campus every year instead of several organization-specific rushes every year.) Rush, they cannot affiliate with their respective orgs. Meaning that they can't wear letters, or state that they are members of a specific GLO, nor can their respective GLOs claim them as members until after bid night. This, I think is to ensure that the potential pledges are not influenced to prefer one organization over the other because of who their Rush Counselor is or isn't.

If I'm wrong about any of this, would someone from one of the NPC orgs. on GC please correct me?

Just an FYI, the official terminology used by the NPC is Recruitment. Rush is still used often, but we've been encouraged to use the proper terminology since 1999.

Did you see who started this thread?

PM Mama, aren't you able to delete threads that you started??? Not that I think this thread should be removed.

Members are allowed to delete their posts as long as it's not the first one of the thread. Only moderators are allowed to delete threads. If you want to get rid of a post, you can edit it so that it's blank [....] instead of actually deleting it.

Then again it's pointless if your post was quoted over and over again.

I did! haha

I definately agree with this and I wanted to chime in to say that this has been a very well discussed topic and everyone here is handling themselves brilliantly with their responses.

At this juncture, I really have nothing to add, as everyone is speaking in such I way I couldn't have said it better myself.

Carry on...

Yes, this thread is a model for how frank and open dialogue should run. I think it happened because some posters were actually able to take a critical look at both their side and the one they were pushing against. In this way, you get a feeling that opinions are taken seriously and you'll get more honest questions and answers that come from the heart and are not some "talking point" or propaganda.

I don't see too much critical thinking of both sides going on.

It happened because this is a 5 year old thread. When old threads are resurrected, for whatever reason, the posters tend to be more levelheaded and informed. GCers who were hotheads or unaware 5 years ago may not be anymore and newer GCers with informed opinions also chime in.

Some people mix their words so much that it's unclear exactly what they're trying to say.

A lot of people claim not to label in order to convey a point.

Everyone labels. EVERYONE.

You're right, everyone labels. And, we don't just label by skin color but by gender, religion, social class, economic class, intelligence, athletic ability, nationality, etc. The danger is when you make assumptions about an individual based on the stereotypes associated with that label. My nationality is Italian and specifically, I'm Sicilian. I've been asked if I have relatives in the mafia simply because I'm Sicilian. Not all Sicilians are in the mafia and it's ignorant to think they are. It isn't having a label that's the problem, it's people's assumptions about you because of that label.

NPC/IFC organizations definitely have a different focus than the Divine 9 and Multicultural GLOs have an even different focus. This doesn't mean that one is better or worse. It just means there are numerous organizations out there designed to meet different people's goals/needs. The hope would be that nobody would be excluded from joining one of those organizations based only on their heritage, if they met all other membership criteria (grades, service, dedication, commitment, etc).

On my campus, wayyyy back in the mid-80's, the NPC/IFC groups and the Divine 9 groups did things together sometimes. The Divine 9 groups were always invited to participate in Greek Week, for example. Some years they voted to do so, others they didn't. I believe we all respected each other because I never heard of any animosity between the groups. And, on my campus, it was during that time period that there started to be integration within the GLOs too. It seemed like everybody just took it in stride, but it was a very diverse campus to begin with.

So.... do you have relatives in the mafia?

Ohhhhhhh O.K. Wow! That's interesting! I've always wondered about that. Thanks so much for clearing that up for me.:p

Excellent points!!:p