I was worried about the real estate cost at some of those schools too, as Alpha Xi Delta is getting ready to colonize at 2 very expensive housing schools (South Carolina and UCLA) and I am kind of expecting us to pull the trigger at Bama in the next 5 years (no, I don't know anything, even rumor). But when I heard the cost of membership, even for non-live-ins, my worries disappeared. The mortgage payments have to be a piece of cake for those chapters. And I'm sure all of our headquarters have excellent financial teams who would know to pay heavy early to ease the burden for when that day does eventually come when quota goes to 30 or your chapter becomes THAT chapter for a couple years, and half of the house has to live in. Still, even in that scenario, not every last member has to live in so there's a lot of buffer.

Not only that, I'm guessing that most of the members who don't live in the house and just do meals and meetings there live together in this or that permutation... Which is the best of both worlds.

During their sophomore year, each of my girls rented a house near campus and lived with four of their sorority sisters. I think five unrelated persons living together in a single residence is what is allowed in Tuscaloosa.

Looking forward to seeing the new AXD house at UCLA. I saw the renderings during the Extention Presentations and it looked gorgeous!

I'm with you. When I lived in the house, we could not fill it. Ultimately that's why we folded.
I'm a pessimist...that way I'm never disappointed. ;)

I haven't seen the renderings :p, but that's exciting!

I so want to see those!! Yippee! :p:p:p:D

[QUOTE=Sciencewoman;2326453 If anything, this could make Indiana move away from bed quota...the live-out parlor fees really do help the budget and support the upgrades.[/QUOTE]

Many tried to use this exact rationale when advocating a move from bed quota, it fell on deaf ears. Indiana is making baby steps, not there yet, but the initial steps are encouraging.

Tri Delta actually took 130, not sure where you got 140

Alabama
 

You are correct. It is 130.

In the Crimson White student newspaper today, it was reported that every sorority took at least 120+7 upperclassmen new members this year. I think that Alpha Gamma Delta, Chi Omega, Kappa Delta, and Kappa Kappa Gamma are the only sororities where the new member class numbers haven't been reported here on greekchat yet. Maybe someone out there might have them and wouldn't mind sharing them here. Definitely looks like all Alabama sororities really have NM class sizes to be proud of!!

I can't say that the exact number of PNMs in each pledge class has been a topic of much interest/conversation among various Bama alums that I know. Just about everyone comments on how HUGE these classes are, however.

A long time ago I remember some bid day alum chatter about who made quota and who didn't, but that was long before RFM, and long before recruitments of this size.

Almost every chapter at Bama makes primary quota every year, and even if one didn't, it would probably wind up with a NM equivalent to quota plus some.

At this point with such enormous recruitments, the numbers don't really tell us anything -- larger numbers are not indicative of more successful recruitments than smaller numbers, for instance. All the numbers tell us is that EVERY pledge class is huge, and with a 93% placement rate, all chapters' cups runneth over!

That all makes perfect sense, the NM classes for each sorority are indeed ALL huge and when the sizes vary at most from just twenty something over a hundred to sixty something over a hundred with often very little difference (maybe a hair split) between so many sororities, why would many bother with the exact numbers for so many? In short, as you put it, all (sixteen) chapters' cups runneth over! It was really just a personal curiosity point of reference question I guess.

AGD 131
XO 126
KD 137
KKG 139

Appreciate it a lot Bamarox, with the Delta Zeta numbers at 160 and the Tri Delta numbers at 130 all the chapter ones given now add up perfectly to 2261! Thanks so much again!!

Quite Welcome
 

And Yes, Tri Delta is 130

Please, someone, help this old brain out.

If quota is set by the number of women attending pref divided by the number of chapters, and quota is 120(+7), how is it all the chapters are showing numbers so far OVER quota? That should be mathematically impossible, shouldn't it?

Because every girl who attends a preference party and maximizes her options gets placed, even if it takes a chapter over quota.

I was wondering about these large numbers also. I think yesterday, someone posted a link to an article which seemingly said that invitations were extended so that "everyone" who stayed in recruitment received a bid ... or something like that.

The computer works so that it figures out if you have X number for quota and Y number for quota additions you will get Z number of total girls placed. It tries a variety of numbers to make sure the largest number of girls get placed while attempting to give every chapter quota. It is not consistent because each chapter has a different number of girls at their preference parties and the "leftover" girls will have attended different, inconsistent chapters. So if a chapter invited a lot of girls to preference they could theoretically end up with a lot more girls pledging. And then next year their numbers will probably be tighter so that it's more balanced out over time. This is how parity can happen over 2 or 3 years. Of course, at Alabama, none of the chapters are struggling so the numbers just blow up since girls don't drop out of rush when they don't get their first choice. Oh, if we could get the rest of the Greek world to work this way.

And thus the "everybody gets a trophy" concept conquers new ground ... ;)

Not really. If a woman is invited to pref, that means a chapter is willing to pledge her. They could have released her long before that if they didn't want her. There are only a very very very few schools where everyone is guaranteed a bid.

I know that ... but the joke just spilled off of my fingertips. :rolleyes:

In order for EVERY chapter to be over quota, when quota is (women at pref)/(# of chapters), then women are being bid who weren't at pref. That's just math.

There is quota range, and then there is quota. QR is calculated first, and Q is calculated somewhat after the fact. It isn't as cut and dried as the number at pref divided by the number of chapters.

That's what I thought you were asking -- I was also wondering why the quota was set at that number. Thanks to irishpipes for explaining.

As far as why the PNMs over quota are not distributed more evenly, this explanation involves RFM, how many pref parties a PNM attends, and quota additions. Bama had over 218 quota additions last year (64 the previous year) -- someone asked about this huge increase in quota additions earlier in the thread.

I wouldn't attempt the explanation about QAs in a huge recruitment like this -- or even a guess about the increase in quota additions last year -- better left to one of the RFM experts here.

Basically, lowering quota to a number less than (women at pref)/(chapters) can actually place more women. I wrote a lengthy example on some other thread a few days ago, but I don't feel like hunting it down.

And those that were quota additions weren't evenly distributed among the groups. Due to RFM strong recruiting chapters will have far less PNMs at Pref than weak recruiting chapters.

Totally making up numbers here, but let's say Sorority A is a SRC. At Bama they may only need 250 at Pref to reach a quota of 130. Sorority B is middle of road recruiting chapter. They may need 325 to ensure they reach a quota of 130. Sorority C is a WRC. They may need 400 at Pref to ensure they reach 130.

Once the first 130 are matched to each group, there is a higher probability that sorority C will have the most girls who went unmatched simply because there were more girls in their pool to start with. Some of these girls may have only had one pref party, and if they were ranked on the sorority's list way at the bottom, the still get a bid due to maximizing options. So they become Sorority C's QA.

Back to Sorority A. If the PNM was at a SRC for at least one pref then chances are they are a strong enough PNM that they matched to one of their 3 Pref parties. It may not have been Sorority A, but they would have been a match somewhere. Therefore Sorority A isn't pulling in as many unmatched girls.

Sorority A would get QAs if one of their PNMs was perhaps visiting all SRCs for Pref and just fell too low on all 3 list. Then she is a QA for a SRC.

Of note, QAs have nothing to do with Chapter Total, having to COB, or taking extra because they are small. Most of us on GC know this, but the collegians on the other site are getting the reason for QAs all wrong. QAs are also not optional or something the chapter decides. They are placed by Panhellenic and all chapters take them. Again, huge misconceptions elsewhere online about this.

DBB accurately answered your question about setting quota lower than an even PNMs at Pref/chapters. This often helps place more girls, albeit with more (sometimes ridiculously more) QAs. It can also help all chapters meet quota. Perhaps there was one chapter than was about 5 away from quota. If lowering it that number actually places more PNMs then it is a win-win on both sides.

So in the case of the SRC's would they be more likely not to make quota if it was a higher number? I know that doesn't seem to make sense, but they are inviting the fewest PNM's to pref, so it seems as if their bid lists would have the least wiggle room to lose girls to other chapters.

Thanks Comrades True --

So perhaps the answer to KSUViolet's question earlier in the thread, regarding the reason for the significant increase in QAs over a year (from 2013 to 2014), is probably an adjustment (lowering) of quota relative to the number of PNMs who went through last year compared to the year before?

I think DeltaBetaBaby's example that she mentioned is the last post on this thread:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=153163&page=3

Whew! I need to reread all this before it sinks in a little!

No problem with QA; I understand that, surprisingly well for someone whose greek system essentially didn't know what quota meant. I come from a pre-RFM system where a woman could get as many bids as there were chapters.

I'm not sure I understand how "quota range" can be so far off, but ...

I guess I'll just keep learning, and eventually it will fit.

Yes, Mndl.......you have given a good explanation. The SRC has less wriggle room, so a lower quota benefits them, in helping them make quota. Then, girls who only preffed them, or only preffed other SRC, end up as the few quota additions.

Also if any of the chapters were under total, couldn't some of them just be plain old open bids once the formal rush "window" is closed? Obviously they are not going to differentiate that or publicize that in their tally of how many women received bids.

Wouldn't those be snap bids? Do snap bids even still happen?

Snaps still happen, and yes - they would be snaps not open bids.

Snap bids do still happen :)


33girl - it depends on when numbers are reported.


Total number reported directly after bid matching = PNMs matched through bid matching or by snap bids. IME, this is typically what gets reported to, say, a university paper or website.


Total number reported after chapters can start COB = PNMs matched through bid matching or by snap bids or by COB. This could be what chapters put in a university paper ad.


If chapters who aren't at total are really on top of their game, they could have several people lined up to immediately bid after the "window" you were talking about is over. But this wouldn't have any impact on quota additions in any sort of official report.

My guess is snap bidding isn't really applying at Bama. If you wanted to speculate, the only possibilities would be the one/s exactly on quota. It wouldn't have applied if they were even 1 over quota because they wouldn't have been allowed to seek out late additions.

Snap bids are those that happen within 24 hours of bid matching, if i recall correctly. After that time they considered COBs.

Any excuse to dust off the MOI.

"Snap bids can be extended, coordinated through the Panhellenic, prior to the start of Bid Day activities or when bids are distributed."

"Once snap bidding is over, bids are distributed and Bid Day activities may begin. COB begins as soon as the bids are distributed or at a previously agreed upon and designated time."

QR can be very wide because they continually run the numbers until the most women match. So it is very fluid.