i'm sure you're frustrated, but maybe you weren't meant to be in a sorority? it's not the end of the world, it's not going to totally utterly change your life forever. Find something else to do and enjoy it!

I hate to say it, but Greek Life isn't for everybody, and not everybody is for Greek Life. When a door closes, a window opens. Girls who get cut will hopefully redirect their energy into something else, and maybe one day look back and realize that everything did work out the way it did for a reason...:D

glo change every 5 years
 

I typed this whole long post saying what I believe about bids and making the best out of any rush situation but well, . . . nevermind. Life is too short be happy.
:D

Well, I know I probably came across whiny, but the gist of my post was that 100+ girls were left bidless this year and their chances are blown if they ever wanted to rush again. Yes, some girls weren't meant to be in a sorority but surely some girls were the perfect candidates who slipped through the cracks because they didn't really know anyone in the chapters?

LSUGRRL


This maybe the stupidest idea in the world, and i have read meny posts as to why it might not happen, but why don't you try to find some of those girls who are in your position and try forming a local sorority. Again, i have read many posts as to why it is hard to bring a NPC sorority onto a campus like LSU, but that does not mean that you can not start a local. And maybe in a few years if enough women join your sorority then maybe you could join a NPC. Its just a thought and its what i would do if i were in your shoes. I really think that cut once cut always policy is stupid especially if there is such a high number of PNM comming through rush and with what i have read how many and easily it is to fall through the cracks. i know it is lots of work, but i am sure that there would be many women who would

1) help you out on here (GC) with advise, and
2) there would be alum who could help you. I mean out of those 100 plus girls there has to be some who have relatives who were in sororities that can offer advise and assistance as advisors in some capasidy (SP) or another.


Anyway, i can understand how disappointed you can be. I had to transfer to another school because i was so disappointed, not cause of greek life but cause of other stuff, in the university. I think that the best way to handle the situation is take an action and if it were me i would try to start a local. i bet that there are lots of women who would want to be part of a sorority, espcially with the cut once, cut always policy.

Good luck, with whatever you choose.

debbie

great post alphalpha!

LSU rush is very well known for being competitive, this is no great secret. So you knew what you were getting into ahead of time. There is never a guarantee that you'll get a bid anywhere.

You've said that none of the 300+ other orgs on campus interest you? I think you're wearing blinders. Even if you had gotten a bid, most houses would require you to be involved in at least one other extracirricular activity. I can at least speak for KD in saying that this is a requirement. Heck, who knows, maybe this was a reason you got cut was because you had no other activities and no hobbies or interests? Those sort of things are definitely things that can be factors. A sorority wants a girl who brings something to a house. There were 900+ "nice" perfectly lovely girls that went through. Most of them probably had something to bring to the group besides being nice!

Find something else to do with your life. I don't meant to seem harsh, but you've been continually whining about how it's not fair and there's only so much patience in me. Life's not fair. Lose the woe is me attitude and get off your behind and do something about it. You DID have a chance, and i'm sorry that maybe you didn't make the best impression, but all those other girls were in the same boat. They made the best of it. You should've too.

If there is absolutely nothing out there that interests you (do you have no hobbies?), then I feel sorry for you. If there is something that interests you, and there's not a group, get off of your ass and start a group. At my school you just needed 10 people and an advisor, fill out a form, and you're good to go.

MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!

do you know this to be a fact? or is this one of those rumors that tends to be spread to "explain" why some women go bidless?

i've never heard of such a thing.

I don't understand this about the rules saying that sororities can't bid someone they've cut before. One of my daughters pledged a sorority that had cut her the year before. I know of several similar situations.

It wouldn't make sense to have such a hard and fast rule! First, you'd have to keep track of several girls and what would you do if you realized you'd bid a girl you'd cut the year before? Drop her? I don't think so.

Also, I know of many girls who didn't get a bid at ABC University, transferred, then had their choice of sororities at DEF University--all chapters that had cut them. There's certainly no way that sororities could track girls from college to college, making sure that they didn't get bid by a group who'd formerly cut them.

Finally--people change. There are PNMs who get overlooked the first time they rush and they become strong leaders or get to know a lot of sorority members during their freshman year. The next year, the sororities are like, "We want her! How could we have overlooked her last year?"

once cut, always cut
 

i am not familiar with this rule either. perhaps it is a school thing? anyway, lsugirl, alphalpha gave you awesome advice. start a local. or if you simply feel you will be incomplete unless you are a member of an npc sorority, transfer schools and choose a school with a less competitive recruitment. as kddani pointed out, you need to get out an circulate-join an organization. i do not believe that with over 300 organizations to choose from, you can't find one that interests you.

I always hear that people are upset cause they got cut from EVERY sorority . . . I also find that hard to believe . . . I mean yes I am sure that there is some random girl out there who actually may have gotten cut from EVERY sorority but MOST of the time they mean that they got cut from what they considered to be the best sororities.

Well, Wahh! In reality you cut sororities and its not them cutting you. Quota is set to give the most girls a bid . . .its not set to cut girls from the greek system. And when you hear that some rush went by and 40 out of 200 girls didnt get a bid check to see if any of the sororities didnt make quota and then you will see who is cutting who.

Don't get me wrong pnm's have the total right to WANT WHAT THEY WANT but I find it difficult to feel sorry for them because they didnt get a bid from "abc" when "abc" has total and quota and they are devistated or sour graped by the greek system.

Sorry I must be in a mood today but I just had to give my spill.

(also and this is to anyone who is worried about who will give them a bid. . . the truth is there are "good" and "bad" chapters of EVERY national sorority but when I graduated I became a member of something bigger then just my chapter and I didnt know it until I got involved as an alumnae . . . I know it is hard to get as a 17-19 year old, but every organization is what you make out of it)

A.) Truthfully, I was cut from every single sorority. All 10. There were no "top houses" in my opinion, they were all great. I did not cut ANYONE.

B.) Extracurriculars? Hobbies? Hell, I'll email you my resume...I am most certainly not lacking in that department. Can you join a choir in the middle of the year? No.

C.) At LSU, all 10 chapters have this rule. Greek Affairs confirmed this, along with alums who personally called the chapters. I'm not exaggerating.

D.) I did not know that LSU rush was so difficult, I thought all schools were like this. Obviously I had not visited GC prior to rush.

If I missed something here and you want the answer, feel free to ask.

Great Resume means high gPA and alll kinds of activities I guess . . ..

Are you flaky? Like over sensitive, easily offended, high strung, and it shows in conversations? Are you less aesthetically pleasing to look at than the average mainstream ideal?

Are you medicated for depression anxiety disorders?

There are a lot of intangible reasons why you can get cut other than how you look on a piece of paper.

It would be like auditioning a potentianl boyfriend or girlsfriend . . . their resume looks awesome, but there was something about them you didn't like enough to want to date.

Maybe they were flighty, overly stressed, or not good enough looking.

Re: my opinion...
 

I'm really glad that you said that. I just went through rush because a lot of my "greek friends" told me that I should go through with it only to find out that I ended up bidless. I was sad; I cried my eyes out and questioned myself but I was like being rejected or turned down by someone isn't the end of life so I got up and moved on cuz life goes on. If they wanted to invite me back then they would but everything happens for a reason....

ending up where she was meant to be
 

This is just a thought that i had. Maybe LSUGRRL getting cut from every sorority was where she was meant to be in the sence that she could open a local and provide a new sorority for the women on the LSU campus. ????

I am just saying this cause if i were in her position that is what i would do. i don't really take "rejection" well and I would fight for what i wanted. If i had wanted to join a sorority and got cut from every single one and could not join a sorority. I would take the perverbial bull by the horns and start my own local sorority.

just my 2 cents.
debbie

Re: ending up where she was meant to be
 

Exactly. This is what my friend is doing here at OC. She was cut from all the houses after novelty round, and she was pretty bummed. She ended up bidless. But after being upset for a while, she realized that it wasnt that they didn't like her, it's that she just didn't fit. So she's creating (refounding actually!) a new sorority, and she said to me the other day, "I'm so glad I didn't get a bid, refounding Arkady (rho kappa delta) is going to be my legacy."

To continue with the You'll end up where you were meant to be idea. I have to say that personally it is in my personallity that i want to be in charge and so staring a new sorority would be more fitting to my personallity. I have to say that i do not fit into a lot of places cause I already have lots of leadership and don't do well in an environment where I can't be in leadership.

I choose my group cause it was small and i could take a leadership position right away. Actually it was hard for me to wait until after my pledge period was over cause it ended up being like 9 weeks (long story as to why), but i was dying to actually get in charge of something. Maybe its just me, but if i got cut from every sorority and i knew that there were 100 women going bidless, i would walk right up to the greeklife office and talk to someone about starting a new local sorority. But maybe that is just me and my wacky personality.

Then why in your other thread did you say, "and I have it narrowed down to 4 out of 10 that I'd accept a bid from." Sorry. With an attitude like that, no sympathy here. Just like maybe you didn't get your chance to make your best impression on them, maybe those other 6 houses didn't get a chance to make the best impression or maybe you didn't give them a chance to.

You've been in school since the beginning of the fall semester. What have you done with your life since there? Once you're in college, HS activities mean jack. You said in your other thread, "I've been looking for other student organizations, but nothing has really sparked my interest that I've seen."

And you said it's no fair, what if someone's the perfect girl and they get cut because they didn't know anyone? Doesn't seem like you've done anything to get to know anyone. If you had gotten to know some people. There are a ton of activities that you can join at anytime. Make yourself more well rounded. Try something new. Maybe you're not as perfect as you think.

[QUOTE] C.) At LSU, all 10 chapters have this rule. Greek Affairs confirmed this, along with alums who personally called the chapters. I'm not exaggerating. [/QUOTE}

Ummm... you had alumnae call the chapters personally? Did you not believe Greek Life on your own? Do you know how stalkerish that looks?

Obviously you didn't do your homework. Not even necessarily visiting GC, but talking to people who go to LSU or went there or making some effort to find out what's involved. That's no one's fault but your own.

Nope, thanks, i think I got most of the answers.

I did not mean to get on LSUgirl or anyones case . . I mean that must suck to get cut by every single sorority or greek organization . . (I still don't feel bad if you get "cut" by some "great 1st choice" sorority) but if that is the case at LSU - that they have 10 strong Sororities, that all make quota, and are all flawless then yippee for them that must be a strong panhellenic chapter too.

All of those sororities must really work together more then any other university in this country just to keep "undesirables" out. OF COURSE I AM BEING SARCASTIC. I am about to check out LSU's greek life to see if what she is talking about is true because all of that doesnt add up.

Panhellenically Yours
Connie

It seems like if what you're saying is true, and there are 100+ girls getting cut, it's time to expand (not to start any rumors as I know nothing more than what I hear on these boards about LSU). Maybe what was "meant to be" is being a founding sister of a new group your junior/senior year after you've already done some things on campus. Just a thought.

This is what I said AFTER rush was over. AFTER I had met the girls and given them all equal chances.

What? You have NO IDEA how many new people I've met during one semester at LSU. Even though I've become good friends with many Greeks (and non-Greeks for that matter), it still doesn't change the rule that they can't reconsider me for membership.

I never said I was perfect. I've never thought that I was perfect. Why do you assume these things?

For your information, I did NOT have any alumnae call the chapters personally. These alums voluntarily called the chapters themselves because they were going to write me recs. Then they suggested that I called Greek Affairs to see if every chapter has this policy.


I did do my homework. I was simply under the impression that LSU's rush was just as competitive as everyone else's. I made plenty of effort, even moreso than my friends. You have no right to tell me that I made no effort and automatically assume things about me that are not true. Maybe you should come to LSU, rush and see how many invitations you get with your attitude.



Connie: None of this is in writing on the Greek Affairs website. LSU's NPC Advisor told me this over the telephone. I asked her why it was not in writing on their website and she said that she didn't "really think it was necessary."

LSUgrrl -- I understand what you're saying, and I don't really blame you for it. You're right that it's not fair that these chapters have a cut-once, cut-always policy (which I'm 99 percent sure is a local decision and not a national one). Here is the problem with what you're saying: a lot of the women on GC belong to smaller chapters at their respective schools, and even those who didn't have friends who are. As a non-Greek, you don't really understand the issues that smaller chapters face. We do -- which is why so many GC-ers get annoyed with any post that insinuates you're not giving all the chapters a chance.

Personally, I think they're making a leap when they assume that you've decided against those four chapters because they're "not good enough for you," when it's just as possible that you decided not to pursue them because you found out they hazed or something.

But here is what it comes down to: you have every right to cut chapters based on whether or not they fit your personality. And those chapters, in return, have every right to cut you if they feel that you don't fit in with them. It's quite possible that you really are a great girl that fell through the cracks. We hear a lot about that at LSU. And you're right -- if that's the case, it's not fair that you can't rush again. Unfortunately, there are a lot of things out there that are not fair, and you can either complain about it or you can do something to fix it:

1) If you really feel that your college career is going to be incomplete without going Greek, you can transfer to a school with a less competitive rush, or
2) You can make the most of your college experience at LSU by joining other groups, making friends in the dorms, and forgetting about Greek life. I went early alum in my sorority, so I'm still in college but no longer an active member. Are things totally different now that I don't do rush or the mixer thing? Definitely. But if I had to make the decision again, I would make the same one. Being outside of the Greek system this year has freed up a lot of time to do other things that I'm interested in and meet people I would have never met otherwise. I wouldn't trade that for anything.

We understand that certain policies at LSU are unfair. But we can't change these policies, and neither can you. And there are definitely some advantages to not going Greek, and I'm sure that if you stay at LSU you'll find out what they are. But first you need to let go of the regret of not being in a sorority. It's in the past -- the only thing you're doing now is making yourself miserable by stressing out about what could have been. It's not that worth it.

sugar and spice (and everyone else for that matter) -- I'm really sorry if my posts have made it seem like I didn't give all of the chapters a chance. I went into rush with an open mind -- I was going to do my own thing (instead of staying w/my best friends) and knew that there were no true "top chapters" compared to the others. All of the chapters were great and throughout the past semester I've met some really great girls from each sorority. I think it would be an honor to be asked to join ANY of these sororities because they are all outstanding, in my opinion. I talked about 4 that I would accept a bid from because those were the 4 groups that kept me the longest throughout the week. I felt the most comfortable there and could see myself with them. That being said, I did not cut any of the chapters nor did I have a preconceived notion of which ones were "the best." The chapters that cut me after first round were the same ones that I didn't really "click" with during the parties. I was not surprised in any way whatsoever because I had the mutual feeling that I wouldn't mesh with them. These 4 chapters that kept me around were (and still are!) awesome. I was truly torn about which one I felt was the best for me. I do admit, I didn't know too many girls in Greek Life at LSU. I went to a small high school and most of my older friends went away for school instead of staying close to home by going to LSU.

As for the organizations thing, at the club sign up day (or whatever you want to call it) our 300 some odd clubs were all (or nearly all) represented. It was quite overwhelming for me considering there were so many people and I had a limited amount of time between my classes. I'm sure I overlooked some of the organizations but we're having another one on Wednesday and I have a good amount of time to spend checking out different organizations and my goal is to find at least 1 organization to get involved with.

Soooooo, back to the topic of the thread....I really just wanted to say that at some larger schools, girls might not end up where they're meant to be simply because of sheer numbers and limited spaces and lots of really great PNMs. I didn't know if anyone on GC was aware of the LSU chapters' rule "cut once, cut always." Is this a common thing for chapters to do? I just found out about this rule a few days ago, so I'm just now trying to get over not being able to be in a sorority, because this was a big deal to me. I'm greatly sorry if I have offended anyone in any way.

As some GCers have suggested, starting a local sorority is a good idea. I read the thread (well not the whole thread) about getting a local started at UCSC so I sort of have an idea of how I could go about doing it, but since LSU has a Panhellenic Board, how would I do it then? And would Greek Affairs really give me a list of the girls who didn't receive bids?

This is really where a new thread should start. PM me if you have any advice/suggestions/complaints/etc.

you should read this thread: http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums...threadid=43119

LSUGrrl...check your PM...I dare not post my two cents here. :eek:

bump

When i went through recruitment, I was cut by all but 3 chapters - two of which i had tried to cut - after the first round.

I don't remember being upset, and decided to focus on the three i did have (though it sucked other women we going to 10 parties.. and i went to three!).

I think you DO end up where you belong - the chapter I joined I had originally not liked much but as I got to know the women better through out the week I fell in love with the chapter. It took me an hour and a half to rank after pref (deciding between Sigma Kappa and XYZ).

I actually ended up preffing SK second, but regretted it almost instantly :p I was so excited to get a bid from them!

I think I'm a case where the chapter DID know better than I did about where I fit. Now, as a junior, I don't think I would have been as happy in XYZ.

Did I end up where I thought I would? No. Did i end up where I belonged? Yes.

I'll always wonder why I was cut by 10 chapters after first round, but it doesn't really matter, you know? I had no idea wtf was going with recruitment or greek life in general and I'm sure I shot myself in the foot, but I love where I am!

Realistically, "you'll end up where you were meant to" is the same sort of cliche as "Hindsight is 20/20."

In other words, s***t happens. Recruitment is competitive. You could be cut for your grades, your year in school, lack of sponsor recommendations, a "do not bid this girl" warning from an alumna, being someone else's legacy, your lack of activities/involvement, your social reputation in high school or college, your attitude, your personality, maybe even something like not looking like you fit in from *horrors* the way you dress yourself to the way you take care of yourself, or any number of factors that will never be explained to you because membership selection is private and any records are shredded following recruitment.

You're never going to get accurate feedback into why you were cut. It sucks. It's easier to get a bid on certain campuses than on others.

But at the end of the day, I hope you have better reasons for being at your university than joining a sorority.

And I hope you know that those girls who got into sororities are going to experience rejection and disappointment in their lives, too. And at some point, you may go through this again when you apply to grad school or a new job, get passed over for a student leadership position or a promotion at work.

As our moms always say, "Sometimes life just isn't fair."

It's hard to accept the consolation "I'm sorry you didn't get into a sorority, but there are lots of ways to make your college experience special" when you had your heart set on getting into a sorority, but sometimes life just plays out that way.

So yes, at the end of the day, you will end up where you were meant to be. It's kind of like finding a lost of set of keys-- they're always in the last place you look.

It's disappointing to be cut from a top choice or to not get what you want, but every person on this earth goes through that kind of disappointment at some point in our lives. Even Paris Hilton.

Cheer up!

Amen to that and I want to star what she said about how *the girls who make the sororities that you want to be in will face failure too*. There was one girl at Auburn who made everything you could make at Auburn, everybody loved her...and right after she graduated, she killed herself with carbon monoxide. No one ever knew why. There was a set of twins at Arkansas: they were the Queen PNMs when they rushed and after they got their top sorority, they got everything they tried out for on campus. A few years later, one killed her kids and herself and the other one tried to do the same thing.

Now I realize that these are way extreme examples but I'm trying to say to the girls who were or may be cut from their dream sororities: NO ONE has a perfect life, no one! I have seen so many hysterical girls during and after rush who say that this girl or that had a perfect rush and now the rest of her life will be perfect. Nope, not gonna happen.

Yes, I think it is worth remembering: your recruitment results may seem like a temporary setback, but it really doesn't determine the outcome of your life one way or another.

BUT, when a young women goes off to school, and she has hopes of having an amazing new chapter in her life, and she ends up getting cut from what she sees as the "beautiful people" sororities, it doesn't help her in the moment to tell her that she really only belongs in the chapters that in that moment seem to her to be not-so-great for whatever reasons.

Yes, she should be encouraged to give all the groups a try and if she signs a bid card and matches, by all means, encourage her to try to bloom where's she's planted. But don't tell her that there was really no possibility that she ever belonged in the other superstar groups unless you're just feeling mean.

And that, as I see it and I think as Carnation originally commented, is the problem with telling people they end up where they belong.

Yep. It is what it is. There's nothing you can do about it. Because it has worked out this way, this was the way is was "supposed" to happen.

But it's cold comfort when it contrasts with what a young women wanted to happen. I think we're on the same page.

You said it really well here, Carnation.

It is really interesting to go through this thread and read the comments from the women who truly do believe in this idea of "going where you belong". I am a firm believer in it and I, like many of the others who believe it, was dropped hard by my top sorority after pref and joined the so-called weaker chapter... Looking back, I would have been bored to death in the top chapter and sure it could have helped my social life out better than my current chapter, but I wouldn't have been nearly as active or enjoyed it as much. I think it all boils down to giving everyone a chance and if you are willing to look at everyone and not just the 'name' sorority on campus, you will end up wehre you were meant to be-- Greek Life with women who can be your best friends if you give them a chance.
Some chapter on campus may not be your idea of the 'top' sorority to join during recruitment, but they are somebody else's top tier and definately the top chapter to all the active members.

I JUST REALIZED THIS WAS BUMPED. HAHAH. IM SOOOO SORRY

Ok. First let me say I appologize, I haven't read this whole thread (I have too short of an attention span) but I figured someone from LSU just HAD to weigh in on this.

its not as rare as you think to be cut by all ten at LSU. some girls fall through the cracks.

Again I haven't read everthing so sorry if I am being contrary or redundant. I used sugar and spice's post as a guideline because she seemed to hit the higlights of this issue

First of all, not all chapters at LSU have a 'cut-once cut-always' policy. I know for a fact that certain chapters are allowed to reconsider and certain chapters are not. I have a friend dropped from every house in fall, who rushed in spring and was allowed to go back to certain houses. I also know this to be true per conversations with our Greek Life advisor. LSU will never official say weather or not this is true or not, because they don't want any one to 'hold them to it' because it is up to each chapters discretion weather or not to reconsider.

Although as far as LSU is concerned it is at each chapters discression, girls from the 'cut-once cut-always' chapters have told me that these rules are either passed down from nationals, or are a chapter rule (differs from house to house). I will not name names but a girl from XYZ told me her house could not reconsider due to a national rule (but then again it could be a local rule and she was simply misinformed)

To be perfectly honest, most chapters at LSU are about the same size... With the exception of the one local sorority we have on campus the '10' sororities at LSU (considering only PHC social sororities) are all pretty much the same size (or the size different isnt enough to notice, in my opinion)

I totally understand LSUgrrl not feeling like she would consider 6 of our houses. She has to my knowledge had the oppurtunity to meet girls in every house and figure out who she would click with. This is perhaps the biggest challenge for a PNM who has rushed before. Keeping an open mind is one thing for a high school senior but for someone who has met a couple girls from each house, in a casual setting, its tough.

I will say, that counting out SIX houses is extreme. I could understand finding two or three all wrong for you, but after only meeting a few girls (probably in class or at a bar) counting out more than half of all of these national organizations is silly.

I hope you wont switch schools to go greek. LSU is amazing and if you can't be happy with SIX houses at LSU what are the odds you'll like any houses at ULL or Southeastern.

If you can't find ANYTHING at LSU that interests you except 4 'top' sororities, than maybe its not LSU thats the problem...LSU has hundreds of clubs and organizations to be involved in. PLUS i guareentee every house even your 'top 4' want well rounded girls who dont spend all their time at the house.

"We understand that certain policies at LSU are unfair. But we can't change these policies, and neither can you. '
Sugar and Spice hit the nail on the head with that one.You have to work with the system because trust me, its somewhat set in stone.


And there are definitely some advantages to not going Greek, and I'm sure that if you stay at LSU you'll find out what they are. But first you need to let go of the regret of not being in a sorority. It's in the past -- the only thing you're doing now is making yourself miserable by stressing out about what could have been. It's not that worth it.[/quote]

^^^ Just so you know, LSUgrrl's post is from 2005.

ETA: Ooops! I just read the top of your post where you realized it had been bumped.

Time for another bump.

This reminds me of a weird rush incident. At the time, there were 16 sororities and we seemed to be a lot of great PNMs' "safety" sorority - we always had a 3 crowded preference parties, but ended up losing so many of our favorites to the "top 3".

So it was our last pref party, I was tired and cranky, and I knew that the next day, most of my favorite girls would be going elsewhere.

I sat down next to a lovely girl, poised, beautiful voice, perfect posture, perfect hair, perfect makeup, and holding a yellow and red carnation and a little booklet with a kite on the cover, clearly indicating where she had visited before us (I won't mention what two other sororities were involved ;) Note to youngsters: Back in the day, you were allowed to give PNMs small gifts - nothing valuable - tokens like flowers, hand-made booklets, etc.)

Anyway, she said "I have no idea how I'm going to make this choice. It's really going to be tough!"

OK. That was it. I'd had it.

I looked her right in the eye and, dripping sarcasm, I said "Oh, you know exactly where you want to go. Don't torture yourself, just go with your gut write down your favorite and leave it at that. You'll end up where you were meant to go."

The next day, much to my horror, there she was, in our suite. She came right over to me, hugged me and said "Thank you so much! I knew I wanted to go ASA, but everyone kept telling me different things. So I followed your advice, and you're right! It was easy!"

Thank God sarcasm goes right over some people's heads. And yes, of course she ended up as chapter President at some point, blah, blah, blah.

Damn, I love you P!

I think that my favorite thing about ASAs is that I have yet to meet one that doesn't like to just speak her mind.:)

If that's your criteria, you would have fit RIGHT in at our chapter, AlphaFrog!

Carnation - I was interested and appalled by your comment that to be involved in certain student organizations at Auburn you had to be from one of the top sororities. If these are student organizations then they should be open to all students, no matter which sorority you are in or if you are not in one at all. This is the fault of the Auburn administration who obviously just doesn't care about its students. At my university if the sororities tried to pull something like that the administration would kick greek ass like you wouldn't believe. Could be that's what I pay $45k a year for.

I'm assuming Auburn has a similar number of student orgs to UGA and they have a similar structure with a student activities office presiding over student groups. I believe we had several thousand student orgs when I was there (any organized group of 10 students with a sponsor was a student organization as long as necessary paperwork was filled out). As a serving officer of three different organizations during my time at UGA, I know that the student activities office didn't check up on our membership. One of these groups was by audition only and the other two were open to everyone, but they would have had no way of knowing if I decided the latter two were for only people from certain groups (Greeks, drama majors, rich kids, etc.). If our organization's constitution on file with student activities said we would let anyone in regardless of race, gender, religion, sexuality, etc., they assumed that we did it... so I can see how a group could get away with SAYING anyone can join/apply and then actually going about it differently. Doesn't make it right... but I can see how they could get away with it.

This is not the fault of the administration, because it's not their job. It's the job of the student activities office, and with that many student orgs there's no way they can go around policing everyone. [And, of course, I thought I'd mention that higher education is a business and the administration is not in the business of caring about their students, but rather in the business of making money.]

I would assume that any school for which you pay $45K a year has a smaller student body and less student organizations. It would be much easier to keep tabs on every organization in this situation. I'm sure that, yes, a smaller campus/student body is part of your tuition cost.