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UGAalum94 02-18-2009 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781296)
Yes, and ironic because he thinks he's going to demean a black person who isn't up in arms like he is. LOL. The funny thing is that he doesn't even know what we disagree on (or if we actually disagree on anything) beyond that sucky OP/ED piece.

I dunno; I always enjoy a blackness tutorial.

ETA: do tell.

AKA_Monet 02-18-2009 11:00 PM

[hijack]

How can Eric Holder say there are no discussions on Race?

[/end hijack]

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781283)
Like I give a shit about what you think babe.

BITCH PLEASE

And it's back!!!

Ooooo...you're quite the after-the-fact GC badass. Please don't carjack me, angry black man! :)

agzg 02-18-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781297)
I would think that giving a four wheeler to a pregnant lady might not be as well received by all. Your sister-in-law must be pretty awesome.

Well my SIL is also an Alpha Gam so awesome goes without saying, but yes, she's also a country girl and loves four wheeling. It was really a sweet gift, just really awkward timing.

UGAalum94 02-18-2009 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781299)
[hijack]

How can Eric Holder say there are no discussions on Race?

[/end hijack]

Well, do you talk like this in real life in a group with a mixture of ethnicity, especially in a setting where someone in the group bears professional or social responsibility to make sure no one is uncomfortable?

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781289)
Good edit but too late.

The thing that your "blackass" needs to realize is that 1) black people are not monolithic so you aren't going to micromanage me; 2) the true sign of a conscience of any sort is the ability to think beyond the obvious and be critical beyond your comfort zone; and 3) trying to beat your racialized perception over people's head as though everyone needs to be as up in arms as you doesn't make you black, it makes you irrational and stereotypical.

No one is trying to micromanage your ass...the problem with YOU is that you don't like it when someone who HAS a strong opinion stands UP for their opinion DESPITE the others here WHO DISAGREE...YOU need to feel with that shit or maybe YOU need to shut up!

You should consider that sometimes! You come along and say DS is lame just because I express myself and hold true to what I feel...you don't like it...fuck you and what YOU like...I ain't changing for you to I can be like you or be LIKED by you.

So what Chaos? SO THE FUCK what? You don't like my character? You don;t like the fact that i have a strong attitude and strong opinion on topics? maybe that's what it is....hmmm...


You aren't used to others stealing your shine...Black People aren't monolithic? Right and newsflash, the world doesn't rotate around you either.

Like you are perfect? Like just because you have your you don't give a shit attitude you think you are hot shit? Hmmph...wake up.


I can think beyond my comfort zone and guess what I know how to zero in right on the fuck I want to zero in and if it makes you uncomfortable, so be it. You DON't HAVE to address me!

This isn't DSTCHAOS Chat, THIS IS GREEKCHAT, we all have the right to talk about whatever we want, WHEN we want, and we all the right to step THA' HELL OFF when we want and you can try that talking down bullshit with others but you sure as hell need to know it's not working here.

Ok...let's keep that shit straight.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781305)
No one is trying to micromanage your ass

Then save your emotions and your irrationality for your therapist. ;)

ETA: And certainly stop typing long posts to me. I treat them like I treat Obama's speeches. Click.

UGAalum94 02-18-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1781301)
Well my SIL is also an Alpha Gam so awesome goes without saying, but yes, she's also a country girl and loves four wheeling. It was really a sweet gift, just really awkward timing.

It seemed cute to me, but I've never been on one personally.

And your brother is going what he can to stimulate the economy with that purchase.

ETA: I'm backing away quietly from this thread now. . .

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781296)
Yes, and ironic because he thinks he's going to demean a black person who isn't up in arms like he is. LOL. The funny thing is that he doesn't even know what we disagree on (or if we actually disagree on anything) beyond that sucky OP/ED piece.

That's because instead of your dumb ass talking about the issue, you waste time trying to put others down to try and make yourself look good.

and I am not demeaning you for your difference in opinion but I WILL disagree with you because you try to find fault with me for wanting to discuss it.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781307)
Then save your emotions and your irrationality for your therapist. ;)

ETA: And certainly stop typing long posts to me. I treat them like I treat Obama's speeches. Click.

Then shut the fuck up and let's move on.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781311)
Then shut the fuck up and let's move on.

Only when you calm down, angry black man. Calm down.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781313)
Only when you calm down, angry black man. Calm down.

it makes you wet I know.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781309)
That's because instead of your dumb ass talking about the issue, you waste time trying to put others down to try and make yourself look good.


^^^ Didn't read my posts.

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781309)
and I am not demeaning you for your difference in opinion but I WILL disagree with you because you try to find fault with me for wanting to discuss it.

:confused:

I knew you didn't know what we disagreed on or if we disagreed on anything besides the OP/ED piece. All of that anger for nothing. :)

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781316)
it makes you wet I know.

Yes, primates are sexy.

Senusret I 02-18-2009 11:15 PM

I'm just trying to figure out when DrPhil got minions. I feel like most people could take or leave her posts just like they could mine or any number of people.

The thing is, DS, your opinions are not especially strong, DrPhil be damned. If your fall back when someone disagrees is that they need to do research or go look something up, well, that's not really on them.

UGAalum (who will always be alphagamuga to me, said like one word lol) and I don't particularly agree politically, but I think because her approach is more Socratic, I can appreciate where she's coming from.

The KSig twins (dammit, sometimes I still don't know which one I'm talking to -- are you the guys from GI Joe or what?) and I also have divergent opinions, but somehow we're able to relay our thoughts without coming from this "space" that seems so incredibly challenging to penetrate.

In short, I never feel condescended by any of the three people I listed above, and for all I know, they're as white as the driven snow. I can find commonality with them without telling them to go read a book or something.

It seems to me that maybe, just maybe, GreekChat isn't the place for you to have these strong opinions -- you're well within your right to give them, but really, the sweethearts, babies, dears, and bitches are for special occaisions and this isn't one of them.

In other words, I don't often come to GC to have these staunch opinions one way or the other. I VERY rarely (especially nowadays) bother to give a well thought out reply to anything political here. I'm here to be adored by the people who think I'm hot and then be out.

Try it. I'm sure some people here think you're a hottie, too.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:19 PM

I used to always dismiss people as needing to do research or not understanding. I think I've gotten better as I've become more exposed to different points of view with and without the research and understanding to back it up. :)


<---poppin my collar (because I'm black)

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781317)
^^^ Didn't read my posts.



:confused:

I knew you didn't know what we disagreed on or if we disagreed on anything besides the OP/ED piece. All of that anger for nothing. :)

I am only following your example "click"

You went back and read....I guess you aren't entirely devoid of emotions

No, I didn't read the rest of your post.

My attention span is short when it comes to you

AKA_Monet 02-18-2009 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781304)
Well, do you talk like this is real life in a group with a mixture of ethnicity, especially in a setting where someone in the group bears professional or social responsibility to make sure no one is uncomfortable?

Not sure what you mean right here... But whatever... Uhhhh, I guess Yes?

agzg 02-18-2009 11:23 PM

I was enjoying talking about agzg brother and SIL and their recent four wheeler purchase. So I'll just go back to that.

Yes. He was stimulating the economy. If my SIL gets on that thing before July it'll probably stimulate her early labor.

It's purple!

UGAalum94 02-18-2009 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781329)
Not sure what you mean right here... But whatever... Uhhhh, I guess Yes?

Well, I guess all I was trying to suggest is that some of us may talk more freely online than we would in real life.

ETA: if you all were over at my house, and one person was having the emotionally intense reaction that DS was having, I think the conversation would move on to something else pretty quick. I'd also be really worried that those of you who are Black/African American would think that I only wanted to grill you for opinions about racial stuff.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781327)
You went back and read

The longashell post? No.

More importantly, you might be special but not in a good way. You want to type like you've got the market on blackness but you haven't even read the posts of the person you're trying to deblackify. Just shut up.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1781322)

In other words, I don't often come to GC to have these staunch opinions one way or the other. I VERY rarely (especially nowadays) bother to give a well thought out reply to anything political here. I'm here to be adored by the people who think I'm hot and then be out.

Try it. I'm sure some people here think you're a hottie, too.

I could be wrong but it sounds like you are asking me to change...Sen, love ya like a play cousin on my daddy's side, but nah. I am who I am.

Take it or leave it.

Bruh...you know I don't care about who thinks I am hot or not.

If anything I can agree with you on is that I do enjoy teh exchanges with KSig....sometimes he will say something that is actually worth considering.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781332)
Well, I guess all I was trying to suggest is that some of us may talk more freely online than we would in real life.

I talk much more freely in real life about issues of race, class, and gender.

I talk pretty freely on GC but it's a completely different level in real life.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781333)
The longashell post? No.

More importantly, you might be special but not in a good way. You want to type like you've got the market on blackness but you haven't even read the posts of the person you're trying to deblackify. Just shut up.

3rd time you told me that and you know it is not gonna happen...go click the button...make the words disappear...you can do it.

Told you, I aint doing a damned thing because you said so.

Senusret I 02-18-2009 11:28 PM

I'm not asking you to change.

I am, however, telling you that your opinions are strong emotionally but not logically and that you need to do better at expressing them. Not because you care what other people think, but because you can do better, period.

The hotness thing was for me.

UGAalum94 02-18-2009 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1781331)
I was enjoying talking about agzg brother and SIL and their recent four wheeler purchase. So I'll just go back to that.

Yes. He was stimulating the economy. If my SIL gets on that thing before July it'll probably stimulate her early labor.

It's purple!

It's probably a good time to buy right? Or are there still hunting seasons that people would be buying them for?

AKA_Monet 02-18-2009 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781332)
Well, I guess all I was trying to suggest is that some of us may talk more freely online than we would in real life.

You are choosing to engage discussing things with me. I choose to respond.

I speak freely no matter what media I use. I have been trained to show that parity wherever I go.

But you do bring up an interesting point, why is what you write brings more weight to the "conversation" than what you say publicly? I am attempting to research that concept myself...

I am not a communications expert. No way, no how...

And that's just me as a person... People that have gotten to know me personally from online media have made their own determinations... You would have to ask them. Some people will NEVER know me personally or otherwise. So they choose to believe whatever they want. So what?

Please expound if I did not answer your question. Thanks.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1781339)
I'm not asking you to change.

I am, however, telling you that your opinions are strong emotionally but not logically and that you need to do better at expressing them. Not because you care what other people think, but because you can do better, period.

The hotness thing was for me.

I have always spoke as I felt...some people get me, some don't.

Problem is, I think a lot of people walk on eggshells here.

But that is just me.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781338)
3rd time you told me that and you know it is not gonna happen...go click the button...make the words disappear...you can do it.

Told you, I aint doing a damned thing because you said so.


Just type "nahnahnah...booobooooo....." next time.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1781341)
You are choosing to engage discussing things with me. I choose to respond.


LOL

agzg 02-18-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781340)
It's probably a good time to buy right? Or are there still hunting seasons that people would be buying them for?

I don't know. I think he bought it from another guy, so the trickle down effect is significantly lower.

Most of the hunters in our area don't use them though because they say they make too much noise and that animals can hear them from miles away. So they hoof it to their little tree stands. Most of the four wheeling people do is recreational or they use plows on their four wheelers to clear their snowy driveways. We live in a hilly area, but a lot of the driveways aren't good for big plows - four wheelers work better.

It's too late for snowmobiles, and two early for jetskis and motorcycles, so I would imagine all people are buying for small recreational vehicles right now would be four wheelers, though.

AKA_Monet 02-18-2009 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781345)
LOL

So you want another session DrPhil with me?

Dr AKA_Monet...

UGAalum94 02-18-2009 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781337)
I talk much more freely in real life about issues of race, class, and gender.

I talk pretty freely on GC but it's a completely different level in real life.

And I think if I knew you in real life, I would talk pretty freely with you. But I don't like feeling like I might be putting people on the spot.

If I had a more racially balanced group of co-workers and friends, I don't think it would be a big a deal. But if a group is already in the minority, I don't want to put individuals in the spokesman/woman for the race kind of role.

(although I think it would be pretty funny to be the spokeswoman for white suburban Americans. I'd like to be called on to explain jello salad with marshmallows to someone from a different culture)

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781344)
Just type "nahnahnah...booobooooo....." next time.

You feeling good about yourself now?

BTW nobody is trying to deblackify you...seems you have it all covered on your own.

UGAalum94 02-18-2009 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1781346)
I don't know. I think he bought it from another guy, so the trickle down effect is significantly lower.

Most of the hunters in our area don't use them though because they say they make too much noise and that animals can hear them from miles away. So they hoof it to their little tree stands. Most of the four wheeling people do is recreational or they use plows on their four wheelers to clear their snowy driveways. We live in a hilly area, but a lot of the driveways aren't good for big plows - four wheelers work better.

It's too late for snowmobiles, and two early for jetskis and motorcycles, so I would imagine all people are buying for small recreational vehicles right now would be four wheelers, though.

Here I think people use them to get stuff to and from deer stands on property where you aren't going to drive in a truck. But I have no first hand experience. They seems to be mainly owned by hunters, but I doubt they hunt from them or anything.

I also think people ride them just for fun.

DrPhil 02-18-2009 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1781352)
BTW nobody is trying to deblackify you...seems you have it all covered on your own.

That's interesting. I come from the school of thought that blacks like you are shuckers and jivers who would rather be angry than get something accomplished.

Senusret I 02-18-2009 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781349)
And I think if I knew you in real life, I would talk pretty freely with you. But I don't like feeling like I might be putting people on the spot.

If I had a more racially balanced group of co-workers and friends, I don't think it would be a big a deal. But if a group is already in the minority, I don't want to put individuals in the spokesman/woman for the race kind of role.

(although I think it would be pretty funny to be the spokeswoman for white suburban Americans. I'd like to be called on to explain jello salad with marshmallows to someone from a different culture)

Okay first of all, my mom HATED jello salad with marshmmallows so i NEVER had it growing up. I am so deprived. :(

Secondly, I'm glad to hear that people are aware of such things as I bolded -- I never assumed that people who were not minorities ever thought about it like that.

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1781349)
If I had a more racially balanced group of co-workers and friends, I don't think it would be a big a deal. But if a group is already in the minority, I don't want to put individuals in the spokesman/woman for the race kind of role.

Did you by chance catch what AG Holder said on that topic?

A NATION OF COWARDS

DaemonSeid 02-18-2009 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1781354)
That's interesting. I come from the school of thought that blacks like you are shuckers and jivers who would rather be angry than get something accomplished.

Kinda weird graduating at the top of the class when you are the only one....hmmm?

agzg 02-18-2009 11:44 PM

I think sometimes they take the materials to set up the tree stands in September on four wheelers but if they're taking coolers or anything on the day they're hunting they carry them by foot. They don't want to spook their dinner, I guess.


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