The more you know. :D

I think that in the case the OP laid out, the chapter does not agree with the national org, but if they tell the national org to go screw, then they're without a national affiliate - and not all campuses will allow a local group to stay on without national affiliation. Not to mention if this was a sorority, the women could definitely never join another NPC group.

I don't think deactivation of one member will solve the problem here, it's that the chapter believes the ideals entail one thing and the national HQ (or certain people at HQ) believe another.

Maybe I don't agree with what ABC HQ is doing, but on my campus, ABC means something that I am proud of. Why would I want to throw that away?

But there's a difference between the national group's ideals as written in the history, constitution and bylaws, and the people running the group.

"George W is an a-hole and doesn't understand the Constitution, but I am still proud to be an American."

Like that. I don't think there have been many people who've renounced their citizenship because they didn't like Bush (Clinton, FDR, etc etc etc).

I agree with this basic logic that also applies to GLOs.

Only short-sighted moronic idiots moved to Canada when Dubya was re-elected. There allegedly were a few.

A person joins a GLO for their Ideals.

They also first join a chapter for the members!


So, which is the most important reason?;)

it's NOT the ideals that are faulty, it's the people running the show at HQ/on national council that are faulty.

I mean, (sorry to bring this up ladies) I doubt Z Phi B has anywhere in their ideals that it's a good idea to contest an election and put it out all over the internet.

And if it's a choice between putting up with some jackasses in office and keeping your charter, or surrendering it to "take a stand" and being homeless and chapterless, most college students will choose the latter.

That depends if you're talking before or after Tom Earp was an Active. ;)

Whether or not there are clauses in these organization is not the point I was making and missing it, totally.

I harbor no ill-will toward NIC/NPC as I speak to several members on a constant, consistent daily basis. That is YOUR perception, you are taking it too personally and CHOOSE to have that view of me, which is unfortunate because that is not who I am with what I do. And I can attempt to justify (LOL) my thoughts to you on this medium until I am "pink and green" (LOL ;) ) in the face, but that is a prejudice on your part and you need to take ownership of projecting your opinions upon me...

As far as non-Caucasians joining NIC/NPC organizations, um no, I don't have a problem with that. If that is there thing, more power to them. What I have a problem with is someone who joins these organizations and then wonders why there are no other [insert your favorite ethnic/sex/race/etc here] and the debasement of NPHC organization we all have discussed ad nauseum here. I personally think that discussion is stupid, silly, juvenile and asinine. Then, the minute my Sorority is included in the discussion, my personal opinion is the thread must be squashed. Because really, we as members of GLO's have way too many other issues to deal with than why does AKA's wear pink vs. green on some days and don't talk to Delta Gamma Sorority, Inc. :D ;).



I think that's an apples vs. oranges question and I cannot and frankly, don't care to comment beyond what do you do when said organization decide to go to a "tittie bar"? LOL... :rolleyes:

Then can you explain this post to me? Because from what I inferred it seems that your trash-talking NPC/NIC GLO's...

I don't understand the OP... Are there quotas to NIC/NPC for representation? like NIC/NPC has to have "affirmative action" programs--LOL. Rather than asking that question, I chose an inside joke that I guess DSTChaos got... :rolleyes: Meaning that that kind of question can be searched on GC and it sounds silly to me.

Why would a kid who is from {insert your favorite group here} have a problem joining any NIC/NPC chapter on his/her respective campus if the chapter shows a favorable vote?

If that is the case, then with the example of wanting only "redheads" in the chapter, well, I can bleach my hair and naturally, I will look like "Bozo the Clown", so do I still get to join? LOL.

I think anyone's membership should NOT be based solely on looks. Not everyone is a supermodel or athlete. However, charisma and diplomacy are attributes that can be honed and developed. If that is the kind of membership you want walking into the door and hit the ground running, then I think transparency and full disclosure are in place and a fair expectation.

I was a former Graduate Advisor for my Sorority's undergraduate chapter and I have taught several undergraduate courses. I know how to best relay information to PNM in a tactful way to get the best results...

That whole thing was brought up because you kept saying "why would someone want to join an organization that originally barred people like them?"

Maybe you're missing the point. ;)

That's fine. I don't have a prejudice toward you, but my opinion stands.

Ok, if you say so lol.

So your point is what, here? Let's wrap this up before I have to take my Vici..

I was simply responding to what you had written.