The NPHC and NPC have two completely different recruitment and intake processes so it's like comparing apples to oranges. And I don't know who told you that the NPHC selection process was easy but you should smack them because they lied to you. And there is no such thing as selecting an NPHC house since we don't use that term and most of our chapters don't have houses. We don't do the bid thing either or any of that so trying to compare NPHC and NPC will likely confuse you if you don't have much knowledge on this topic. And you can personally pick what NPHC group you want to pursue and you can pursue that org as hard as your little heart desires and still not get selected to go thru intake. In the end, the chapter members select who they want (which doesn't mean by the way that you shouldn't do what's necessary to try and get selected).

ALL of the NPHC organizations have White members. They also have Hispanic, Indian, Asian, etc. members; the same as with the NPC and other greek organizations. Now there may be certain members/chapters that take issue with this since our orgs are historically and predominently African American, founded at a time in which Blacks could not join White GLO's, but there are non-NPHC GLO members/chapters that have issues with non-White members also.

But to answer the question, yes, all NPHC orgs have non-Black members and we cannot discriminate based on race, religion, etc.

This is too funny.

And you're naive or oblivious to racism in our society if you don't know that there are indeed NPC members/chapters as well as other non-NPHC members/chapters that take issue with non-Whites joining their organizations.

Yes, the same way there are NPHC members/chapters who take issue with non-Blacks trying to join their GLO. Although it seems to be more acceptable than racism in the NPC is. If an NPC rejected or dropped a PNM because she was Black, that chapter would be in deep sh*t.

I doubt it could be proven whether an NPC sorority cut a girl due to her race. Even if they did, I doubt they'd say so (assuming a chapter has to list a reason why they cut someone and send it somewhere).

In the years I've participated in Membership Selection I've never had to list reasons why I wanted to cut a member. Without going into MS details, I do know that chapters do MS differently and some may/may not hold discussion when it comes to cutting girls...but as far as I know, everything stays within the chapter. At least that's how it's supposed to be.

right... and no one is going to fill out forms to their IHQ reading:

Patty PNM
membership status: denied
reason: race

maybe there's an unspoken catch-all phrase that, in disguise, alludes to such? Kind of like filing "irreconcilable differences" in divorce papers?

I just posed a scenario, people.

Assuming it could be proven that a PNM was cut for being Black, and it was found to be true, then that chapter would be in deep trouble.

The only way I think you could "prove" it is if from one day to another, it's discovered that the PNM is black and was "passing."

If someone is coming off really well in MS and getting all 6.0s (let's pretend it's ice skating) and then between one day and another, it's discovered the PNM is black (or gay, or poor, or what have you) and her scores go down to 0.5s, I think that's about the only time you could maybe prove they got cut for ____. But even then, things could have been found out (i.e. she was in an NPC at her old school, she's slept with the whole football team) that have nothing to do w/ race/orientation/status. The fact that it was discovered at the same time is a coincidence.

It may be easier to decide which NPHC you WANT to be in, solely due to mathematics - 4 vs 26, and even campuses who don't have all 26 usually have more NPCs than NPHCs - but the GETTING in definitely is not easier.

do you mean over the course of rush week, or during NME/pledge period? or after said PNM is initiated? I'd think the issue would be more the lying than the actual "being black" part.

Nah, not "the same way." But there is similiarity in that blacks rushing NPC and NIC orgs and whites pursuing NPHC orgs are both relatively rare phenomena, regardless of what we see on GC.

For the record, on many campuses, whites pursuing NPHC orgs is still viewed differently than other nonblacks pursuing NPHC orgs.

A dog with clothes on is still a dog. You can call it a little person with clothes on but only idiots buy that.

ETA: This has nothing to do with the "how would you prove it" discussion.

Maybe not exactly the same way, but rejection based on race is pretty much still rejection based on race- whether it's because of blatant racism or because the members are trying to keep the integrity of the organization (why it was founded, who it was founded for, the purpose of helping a particular community, and so on).

I never said otherwise.

Exactly.


I never said that you did. "You" was general.