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You lied to us, to all of us.

YOU said you were ending the hijack!

I'm not getting heated up. The oh snap was pointing to the Nutbrn/Oldu sockpupppeting. I wanted to clarify my position regarding what breathesgelatin said. I don't particularly care if Nutbrn is Oldu or not. But, this thread is out of my lane so I will step out and not block traffic.

To clarify, I thought Chi Omega had some sort of tie to/inspiration from the Greek Eleusian mystery rituals. As indicated by the title of their magazine. But maybe I was misinformed.

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Originally Posted by SouthernFratter (Post 1647978)

KA considers themself an extension of the Knights Templar, I believe Sigma Chi considers Emperor Constantine part of their history, I can't remember the others off the top of my head. I agree that none of them are actual continuances of these groups though, I think it's more people who their founders drew inspiration from.

"He (Founder Benjamin Piatt Runkle) was inspired with the story of the Emperor Constantine and his vision on the night before the battle for Rome. He believed Constantine was a heroic character, and he convinced the other Founders to pattern Sigma Chi symbolism after the vision of Constantine."

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Originally Posted by breathesgelatin (Post 1648101)

To clarify, I thought Chi Omega had some sort of tie to/inspiration from the Greek Eleusian mystery rituals. As indicated by the title of their magazine. But maybe I was misinformed.

No, breathes, you're correct. The dentist who helped found Chi Omega drew inspiration from the Eleusinian Mysteries. The names of their officers are taken from the rituals. A quick google search provides a wealth of information, if anyone is interested in knowing EVERYTHING about their entire organization's history after being a member for a year or so.

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1648158)

You mean, here? http://nm.chiomega.com/media/docs/fu...20Founding.pdf

So it was the right butt cheek.

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1648184)

You mean, here? http://nm.chiomega.com/media/docs/fun/The%20Story%20of%20Cha's%20Founding.pdf

Hey, whaddya know?!? I actually referenced a different article but it contained the exact same information. Like I said, wealth of information out there if someone just makes. a. little. effort.

ETA: and LOL @ Senusret

As my siblings and I used to say...

emmmmmmmmmbaraskin'......:p

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Originally Posted by H0NEY1987 (Post 1647939)

are there any national groups that are not incorporated. like any that belong to a national umbrella. such as the nic, or npc? even nalfo, or nmgc?

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1647948)

I'm almost positive that the same can be said for the NIC fraternities.

Granted, it withdrew from the NIC a few years ago, but I've already pointed out that, at least as of a few years ago, Kappa Sigma appears to have been unincorporated. I would not be surprised if there are other GLOs that follow the same pattern of being an association that has formed a seperate corporation as its foundation or to hold property.

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Originally Posted by breathesgelatin (Post 1647969)

I don't think most or even "a lot" of the NIC/NPC groups trace their heritage to "ancient" rituals. I know Kappa Sig does. I guess Chi-O does to some extent (correct me if I'm wrong). There are some groups that acknowledge their ties to freemasonry and you might call that "ancient". What other groups do though?

This has been discussed before, but I don't think any NIC/NPC GLO is a legitimate carry-down from some ancient ritual. Some may be reconstructions of ancient ritual, or more likely, inspired by ancient ritual. But not many claim to be the direct descendants of the former groups. Kappa Sig may be an exception - but I've always found those claims questionable, to be frank.

Kappa Sigma is the only group, so far as I know, for which one sometimes see the claim of actually being a continuation of a pre-existing secret society, European or otherwise. (That is, unless one is going to consider Freemasonry's claim to date back to the building of Solomon's Temple.) GC's fraternity history and ritual expert, wptw (who posts all too infrequently -- yes, that's a page for you, wptw), has addressed the Kappa Sigma-Bologna connection before in other threads.

Many GLOs draw on Greek myths and mysteries or the lore of orders of chivalry for inspiration for their rituals and symbolism. Other than the KS claim sometimes seem, though, I don't know of any who would make any claim of actually tracing their existence to those mysteries or orders.

SouthernFratter's affiliation

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Originally Posted by SouthernFratter (Post 1647884)

Um, claim to be descendants of some group that in all likelihood they had nothing to do with.

Same as with the IFC fraternities that can all "trace" their history to the Knights Templar. Basically just associate themselves with something to have a history other than a group of guys (or girls) sitting in a room at some college and deciding that they could do better than the other GLOs.

Just which GLO Fraternity were you initiated into?
I ask because you posting seems to indicate a grand knowledge of all Fraternities.
Generally best to speak of what you know directly of. And if not, bring along some proof or evidence.

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Originally Posted by SouthernFratter (Post 1648476)

When you go to a school where there's more than one good house, inevitably you'll have friends in a lot of other houses. I know the history of my house (and that my statement was accurate for my house) as well as at least parts of the history for others.

"All" wasn't meant to mean "each and every one," but rather "a large group" when I said it.

Young one-You did not answer the entire question.

In 1966, the SEC at the time formed Kappa Sigma Inc, claimed it to be in charge of the estate, and began to solicit for donations from brothers. In 1967, Kappa Sigma Inc changed its name to the Kappa Sigma Memorial Fund and filed to be a foundation for tax purposes. This made two foundations for the Kappa Sigma Fraternity (the other being The Kappa Sigma Endowment Fund)

So everyone is somewhat correct.

(SEC - Supreme Executive Committee)

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kappa_Sigma

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1648433)

Granted, it withdrew from the NIC a few years ago, but I've already pointed out that, at least as of a few years ago, Kappa Sigma appears to have been unincorporated.

I stand corrected. Thanks.