Most, if not all, social GLOs list scholarship among their purposes.

Certainly an excellent education (and Greek experience) can be obtained from a non-Phi Beta Kappa campus. My alma mater is not on the list and is considered a competitive liberal arts school. If a school is on the list that you think is not "elite" because it's a large state university known as a "football school," you must realize that the size of the library, the research projects by faculty and the number of undergrads going on to pursue post-graduate work makes the school an excellent candidate.

I find the list interesting. Actually, if I was starting a social GLO -- I'd be more than satisfied with having a chapter at every school listed on the Phi Beta Kappa website.

oldu does a lot of work compiling these threads and I enjoy them. He stated that he would include NPHC groups if he had an accurate list. I think he's being more than accomodating.

oldu, I understand the correlation and really appreciate you putting up with all this!

Posterity.

And some not so highly selective schools that do. Which is why the benchmark is flawed.

True. And interestingly, many here rejoice when they hear that their sorority or fraternity will be colonizing at a so called "big-name" university. Even if the university is only known because of the football team. Or perhaps simply because it is the flagship university for the state. One only needs to read some of the colony and expansion threads to get a feel for it.

And for what it is worth, I too enjoy oldu's threads.

Accomodating really, or condescending? If he is willing to do "a lot of work" on non-NPHC groups, why not be willing to do it on NPHC's? That is the crux of the issue.

I guess I don't see the need for PBK to be a "flawless" measure of liberal arts academic quality for the list to be of interest. Ok, so it has flaws -- so what? I mean, we're not here to divide grant money among these institutions or do anything of any consequence. We're just chatting on a chat board. Let's suppose the PBK list has 75% overlap with the institutions I would consider the top 300 in the country for liberal arts. That's accurate enough to hold my attention for 10 minutes, which is all a chat board thread is supposed to do.

Surely the data show a pattern. If there's really no relationship between PBK chapters and some social GLOs, then you wouldn't expect to see such massive variation among the GLOs in one conference. You'd expect to see a large number of groups around the mean and a few outliers at the top and bottom of the scale. But you don't see that -- not even close. In fact, there's a statistically remarkable clustering of a few groups that have huge PBK overlap. There's clearly a non-random association between (for example) KKG and PBK, and that is of interest even when the data themselves say nothing about the cause. That's where the chat comes in.

I'm not an NPC or IFC member and I don't have any agenda to promote one GLO relative to the rest. Anyway, why does a thread need to "prove" anything to be of interest? It's just some observations to chat about.
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And promote discussion, which is all that has happened here. If everyone just read and didn't comment it would be a very boring message board.

LOL. If you're going to get technical, the NCAA is not the governing body of Intercollegiate Equestrian. The Intercollegiate Horse Show Association, or IHSA, is. It was developed by Bob Cacchione in 1967... http://www.ihsainc.com/ I rode all 4 years at school and still am actively involved as an alum :)

ETA: Sorry! I apologize :) This is different from what I am involved in... http://www.varsityequestrian.com/ In my university, we were considered a club and did not have varsity status.

With all due respect, he can only work with what is available. And if no ones cares enough to provided assistance - about their own organizations or others - that is not his fault as well.

Are you serious? It's not about caring enough -- he can make NINE phone calls and most likely get all the information he needs! LAZY!

Of course you should get technical. You rode and you know your stuff. I found this at Varsity Equestrian - The Official Website of NCAA Varsity Equestrian.

"In 1998, equestrian was classified as an NCAA emerging sport. Many people within the horse industry have united together to help advance the sport to full NCAA championship status. In order to attain this goal and hold a NCAA Equestrian Championship, there must be 40 Division I/II schools that sponsor equestrian as a varsity level program.

Currently 23 colleges and universities offer equestrian as a varsity sport and more continue to add the program each year."

Or how about a visit to the school's web site? It's a start.

oldu claims NPHC org websites don't have chapter listings -- most have a chapter locater of some sort.

I just don't buy that the NPC and NIC orgs ALL have complete listings on their national websites and the po NPHC orgs are just so much work and have Section 8 websites.

so i'm lazy. is there a point to be proven?