It ain't over until the fat man f[rea]ks.

That notwithstanding, I personally would prefer the remaining all-male chapters would go the route of Sigma Xi, perhaps even forming an "Alpha Phi Omega Society" or something to that effect, similar with what Alpha Delta Phi did when they encountered a similar predicament.

A mutually agreeable compromise or separation agreement between the co-ed and all-male constituencies would work wonders in resolving this issue once and for all. Your f[oul]ed up attitude of "we win, you lose", does nothing but harbor more bad blood within the organization and only serves to drag out the issue that much further and that much longer. It does nothing to solve the problem, it only creates an illusion that the problem is solved. I guarantee you the issue is far from over.

Hint: that is why we need a win-win resolution that is mutally agreeable to all parties.

I said good day, sir.

I feel dumb. :)
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'Shid I got you now.

*looks at Senusret as though he instantly grew a third eye in the middle of his forehead*

*laughs and makes a dismissive wave*. Naraht, do you have any update on the Delta Chapter yet? I'm really curious as to what they're planning to do.

You can come in my lane Ranita if you need to. Don't be intimidated.

(I stocked up on nearly 16 years of deference). :D

Deference went out the window when you renounced your Alpha Phi Omega membership.

What about my A-Phi-Q/Viking membership? (oh, I forget, you aren't one).

Never mind.

Okay, must we resort to bashing each other? I don't know much yet but considering we are co-ed, I like it. Our chapter is about 85% female and we still get respect from others here. I haven't interacted with Kappa Delta yet but I guess it is different other places. I just hope that the males who wish to keep A Phi O traditional should realize that there aren't many other options to a service organization besides Gamma Sig and Omega Phi Alpha. If anyone wants to send me some more history about the break to make APO co-ed, drop me a PM.

Agreed, this is False. Frank Reed Horton was never an Eagle Scout. While looking through the old Torch and Trefoils, I have found several reminders from the National Fraternity to the chapters that chapters are not allowed to add additional requirements in terms of rank achieved in determining admission. This goes back almost to the beginning in that the group of scouts at Auburn that were looking to form their own college scouting related fraternity (and were pointed by BSA HQ in NY to Frank Reed Horton's group at Lafayette, Pitt and Cornell) were entirely Eagle Scouts.

The only change to the scouting membership requirements came in the 1950s (I believe, I'll have to go look) in that membership in other National scouting organizations in WOSM was allowed.

Remember, Brother Bill Clinton was never a boy scout at all, he was able to join Mu Alpha chapter because he had been a cub scout. Also, by the 1960s, some (possibly many) chapters were simply registering those interested in "College Scouter Reserve" with their local council, which defacto allowed any man to join.

Randy

For further fun on the topic, see the Wikipedia page on Maryland's state motto. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatti_m..._parole_femine

If Omega Phi Alpha is not a social sorority, they are covered by Title IX just as Alpha Phi Omega is.

I would be interested any ideas that you might have as a compromise.

U of Arizona is active and running about 90-100 brothers. Arizona State is under 20 brothers, I think. Northern Arizona University is inactive, however efforts have taken place this semester in trying to bring it back.

And pretty much correct. The additional information that I have heard on the issue is as follows.

At a non-APO level... Parks College was founded as an Aeronautical School in 1927 in Columbia Illinois. In 1946 he gave the school to St. Louis University. In fall 1997, St. Louis University decided to close down the campus in Illinois and move all Aeronautical and related programs onto the mail campus.

A timeline for Delta Delta chapter and Theta Xi chapter is at http://www.slu.edu/organizations/apo/timeline.html . To boil down, Delta Delta was chartered in 1944, Theta Xi was chartered in 1950. Delta Delta went inactive in 1971, and reactivated in 1990 (I believe it was reactivated co-ed). In 1997 when SLU-Parks was closed, all of the students at SLU-Parks became students at SLU Main campus.

As such, the question as to how to handle to the two charters came up. I know the Regional Director ended up at campus at one point in the discussion. Delta Delta was a fairly large chapter and I believe that internally had 3(?) families designed to help with giving a smaller group for some fellowship activities. One proposal was to allow the group from Theta Xi to become an additional family, with only male new brothers added to that family. I'm not sure whether that proposal was considered seriously.

I knew that the brothers of Theta Xi chapter had looked into forming a chapter of Theta Xi fraternity and I thought they had succeeded, but apparently that chapter of Theta Xi is not active any more if it was. Theta Xi National doesn't show a chapter at that school and Theta Xi isn't in the list of F/S at SLU.

[QUOTE=KAPital PHINUst;1636531]It ain't over until the fat man f[rea]ks.

That notwithstanding, I personally would prefer the remaining all-male chapters would go the route of Sigma Xi, perhaps even forming an "Alpha Phi Omega Society" or something to that effect, similar with what Alpha Delta Phi did when they encountered a similar predicament.

Alpha Delta Phi was only under internal pressure. They were quite within their legal rights to pull the charters of those chapters which had admitted women and deny those brothers at those schools the ability to use the name Alpha Delta Phi. The Title IX pressures only go one way, a group which is Social doesn't have to be single gender...

As for whether as a solution that would legally protect Alpha Phi Omega fraternity from the legal issues of the society, I don't know...

there were several chapters that left the fraternity in 1976

Some formed locals, some formed nationals, all to the best of my knowledge died however.