Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1538594)

Will someone either PM me and give me a synopsis on what is a recruitment counselor or refer me to a link.

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1538559)

In the olden days, most of the sororities on my campus had a mixer on pledge pickup/bid day - we preferred to have a party as then if the girls had boyfriends or other people they wanted to share the event with them, they could invite them over with no problem. I've always thought it was kind of silly to go straight to a mixer with a bunch of dudes you don't know - I think this was the main reason NPC got rid of it. It took the focus off sisterhood and put it on OMG THAT SIGMA CHI WITH TEH BLUE SHIRT ON IS REALLY CUTE.

But of course, as far as parties or mixers are concerned - all they have to do is wait until the day after Bid Day to hold it.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1536652)

Each chapter should be held responsible, but so should the university and panhellenic advisor who have the authority in this situation.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1536652)

I just find it unreasonable to ruin the first year for the NMs who were punished twice by ruining their bid day with drunk recruitment counselors then ruining their year with probations.

Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1538675)

"If" and I say if this happened then the blame is there for the Advisers and the members, they knew the rules.

If they were in violation then whose fault is it?

Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 1538639)

Each chapter is being held responsible, hence the probations. And unless you're privy to private discussions amongst the university and its employees, you're probably unaware of what repercussions the panhellenic adviser is facing. It seems, from what little info I have to go on, the university is making a smart move by placing certain chapters on probation. And if the chapters in question were identified (at least in part) because of pictures on facebook, then perhaps these chapters will learn to represent themselves a little more smartly.



It's unfair for you to hold the university responsible for "ruining" the NMs' experiences. The university didn't force the recruitment counselors to drink. NMs have only their drunk counselors to thank for that (if, in fact, NMs would say that their Bid Day was ruined because their counselors were drunk). Regarding the NMs year being ruined because of probations... well, the probation is in effect until, what?, Spring Break? So, that's roughly five calendar months. One of those months is winter break, so there's really no loss there. So, they're really looking at four months of no mixers/formals. For this kind of infraction, I'm inclined to think that four months is quite lenient.

I understand that it's a bad situation. But until I find out more about what actually happened, and based on what I've read so far, I'm supportive of the university's decision. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, NPC has to say about this.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1538949)

I don't know how the university is dealing with their own employees...that is the problem.

Originally Posted by fantASTic (Post 1538893)

You know, the more I read about this, the more I think it's just. They knew it was wrong - whether it was tradition or not. Hazing is a tradition in many chapters and schools, yet we all know it's wrong. If we choose to do it, we must be prepared to accept the consequences. These women represent their sorority, and all the sororities deserve to be punished.

Greek Life cannot afford to keep around schools which flaunt the rules like this. It becomes a liability as opposed to a benefit.

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL (Post 1536777)

This is

This is Maryland. We don't do rush that way, as in before school starts and all. Even at the University of Maryland, it isn't done this way. And not all the sisters live in the house either.

Originally Posted by AlphaXi4983 (Post 1539620)

This is not a new problem at Towson. It was a problem when I pledged, it was a problem before I was there, it was a widely known (within the greek system) problem when I was active, it's just that no one did anything about it. One of my sisters was rushed to the hospital on Bid Day for almost the exact same reasons as we saw this Bid Day. It was common knowledge that Rho Chis showed up to the field drunk, many of the sisters drank before and I'm sure there were even pledges that did the same. I know of at least once incident where sisters of one of the sororities would drink in the garage before bid day and not even get caught. The girls knew it was wrong - they're not stupid, they just don't expect to get caught becuase Towson has been, in my opinion, notoriously flawed in dealing with issues in the Greek system unless the national gets involved.

The reason they got caught this time? They were stupid enough to post pictures of themselves drinking on Bid Night on Facebook. Really now - how dumb can you be? We were always told that any Bid Day activities were to be dry. The rush process is going to be dry. Did people drink? Yes. But we didn't have Facebook to post it on. They were wrong. They know it. They're just pissed they got caught and called out on it. And I'm not just talking about the 5 on probation - I'm talking about all 8, my chapter included. Kudos to Towson for finally having the balls to act. I whole-heartedly support their decisions.

Originally Posted by AlphaXi4983 (Post 1540111)

The problem is, even if the school knows its going on, it can be hard to take action until they have tangible proof that it's going on - and what better way than sisters self-incriminating by handing out photos for the world to see? There have been cases where the university has taken action against individuals or even certain chapters, but this if the first time (that I know of) where it has been addressed as a wide-spread problem.