I assumed she was talking about chapter requirements. You are not allowed to bid anyone with a lower GPA then the national standard, but if your chapter requires a 3.5, and your national only requires a 2.3, some chapters can allow someone with a 3.1 a bid. Once again, can =/= will.

Oh good point, that could be a potentially different situation. I thought she was referring to the college's recruitment GPA cutoff since all the sororities had the same GPA req. In the case of nat'l or school Greek GPA requirements, a PNM's membership would likely be revoked if she were revealed to be under the required GPA.

I'm also confused as to the 81.75 grade point... is this a different system of GPA calculation or was this a typo?

I took it to mean 81.75 on a 100 point scale...like they used to grade tests in highschool. I guess that would be a C...which would translate to a 2.0.

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I definitely could be wrong, but doesn't an 81.75 average on a 100 point scale translate to a 3.27 GPA on the standard 4.0 scale, thereby making her eligible for recruitment?

You're probably right. I was just guessing.

Someone call Drolefille in here...she's good at that kind of stuff.

If we're talking about 81.75 points on a scale of 100 = 81.75%, which would denote a solid C average -- at least how my high school figured it -- and a C = a 2.0. A 2.0 would likely be far too low for any school/chapter/national requirement.

I'm assuming you weren't using percentages so how did you figure 3.27? :)

81.75/100=X/4.00

Using cross-multiplication 100X=327 (81.75*4)
X=3.27

From a less mathematical standpoint, I thought *most* institutions used the standard 90-100 is in the A range (or 3.5 to 4.0); 80-89 is in the B range (or 3.0 to 3.5) etc. Again, I'm certainly not positive about this, this is just what I've assumed based on my individual experience applying to colleges and law school.

My high school's system:

92-100 A
82-91 B
72-81 C

etc.

81.75 would be a C by those standards.

Hmmm, I guess what I considered standard really isn't standard at all. :o

Sounds like bette07 should contact the Greek Life Office at North Texas and find out what method is used for grade conversion to determine her daughter's eligibility for recruitment.

Thanks for all the posts on this subject. The 81.75 GPA is not a typo, this is the only GPA listed on her final transcript. I was very confused as well as to how this translates to a 4.0 scale. At her high school, explanation of grades are:

A=90 to 100
B=80 to 89
C=70 to 79

In our school district, a 81.75 would be a B-

with an average of an 80 - 83 being a B- and an average of an 84 to an 86 translating to a B average, and 87 to an 89 translating to a B+ average.

If a 3.0 gpa requirement is a B average she would probably still be below the minimum requirement.

What the someone will actually have to do is using the whole transcript and grading scale, go back and create a GPA unless the sororities already have a percentage grade cut offs they can use.

Although using the ratios makes total mathematical sense, I don't think people do it that way because the grades (A,B etc) that yielded that 81 have a wide variety of possible ranges.

(This was kind of a big deal in Georgia recently because of our HOPE scholarship. It was intended for B students and at first that meant giving kids who had 80 or above averages in high school the scholarship, but last year we converted over to actually requiring a 3.0.

Consider that a kid who had half 85s and half 75s in a system where 70-79 was a C and 80-89 was a B would have an 80 average, but a 2.5 GPA.)

Bottom line: if your GPA is lower than the min required by the collegiate chapter (a number that is usually a bit higher than their national org's required min), you likely don't have a chance. There are plenty of other women with the grades. Yes, they can take grade risks (women who meet the national min, but not the local min), but they usually won't-- they don't have to.

Sounds harsh but is true.

Where you stand relative to the other PNMs might matter more than narrowing being over the minimum unless there is something that somehow offsets your grades, like being a Bush twin (and by using that as my hypothetical, I'm not suggesting that either Bush twin failed to be an excellent student who was a well qualified recruitment guest in her own right. I just mean, unfortunately being an editor for the high school paper, might not be enough, although I certainly hope in this case that it is.)

I contacted the Greek Life office at UNT. They said on a 100 scale they would require an 85 average. But went on to say don't let the grade thing scare you off and still thinks my daughter should go through recruitment with her average, and that they look at others things besides grades such as personality, extracurriculars and leadership positions and understand that sometimes students have a tough time in high school. And also, they had a 95% recruitment last year.

I am not sure if this is the norm or not but just thought I would pass on the information I received.

I'm not saying she won't be considered by the chapters, but she will receive some automatic cuts in the early rounds due to her grades.

UNT has an excellent Greek System; it is not as cut-throat and competitive as some of the other TX schools, but grades are still a priority.

Best of luck to your daughter.