Originally Posted by PGD-GRAD (Post 1398892)

Irishpipes gave a detailed account of AOPi going onto the Rose-Hulman campus last year. She indicated that there was some discussion in the Panhellenic about allowing the interest group to be allowed to expand as a national NPC group. I was wondering how successful they have been as a third group. Were the other groups welcoming? Have they done well in their first rush?

Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 1399237)

I might definately be in a minority saying this, but how much more diverse do you want greek life sororities to be? I personally find 7 a good assortment. It would be different if there were like two or three. Yes, out of 26 Nationals, 7 isn't a lot, but you have to look at the campus. Is there enough interest to support another chapter? I think it would be different if we weren't hearing that all but 1 (if I remember correctly from what I've read on this thread) are at total, but one chapter isn't. To me, how can a campus be ready for expansion when there is a chapter not at total. Yes, I remember reading that this chapter hasn't been at total for a number of years, but seriously greek life in general is only as strong as your weakest link.

Obviously, I don't go to appstate (my best friend did), but I have to agree with the lady from Chi Omega who said that she wanted the current chapters to become stronger before adding another one.

Originally Posted by ASUADPi (Post 1399237)

I might definately be in a minority saying this, but how much more diverse do you want greek life sororities to be? I personally find 7 a good assortment. It would be different if there were like two or three. Yes, out of 26 Nationals, 7 isn't a lot, but you have to look at the campus. Is there enough interest to support another chapter? I think it would be different if we weren't hearing that all but 1 (if I remember correctly from what I've read on this thread) are at total, but one chapter isn't. To me, how can a campus be ready for expansion when there is a chapter not at total. Yes, I remember reading that this chapter hasn't been at total for a number of years, but seriously greek life in general is only as strong as your weakest link.

Obviously, I don't go to appstate (my best friend did), but I have to agree with the lady from Chi Omega who said that she wanted the current chapters to become stronger before adding another one.

Plus, with the possible switch to formal fall (the article said that the decision hadn't been formalized yet) no one knows how many women will be interested in participating and joining greek life.

I think greek life is wise in holding back for expansion until they see how a formal fall goes.

Is the campus using the new release figures?

Originally Posted by ISUKappa (Post 1399238)

My husband is a Rose alumnus and AOII was extremely visible on campus when we went to Rose homecoming last year. While I cannot speak for that chapter, I do believe they have been as successful as an organization can be on a small campus that is predominantly male.

There's a great link on the Rose AOII website on the steps the SIG took to bring another organization on campus and the timeline it entailed. Link

I know Tri Delta at Rose had a similar founding more than 10 years ago through an SIG. They were the second NPC organization on campus, preceeded by Chi Omega.

Originally Posted by lauroo615 (Post 1399252)

I respect your opinion, and I appreciate your reply!

However, only one organization is truly under total, the rest are flourishing. Even this group has an incredibly large spring class, and therefore has grown significantly from the fall. Spring recruitment overall went extraordinarly well, except for the roughly 50 women who did not find homes.

Not including these ~50 women, our interest group includes 55 women. I'm definitely not positive on this, but I believe total at Appalachian is 80 women.

Class time!

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I disagree. While I don't have an opinion about App State, this reasoning hasn't played out historically. Sometimes one or more chapters are below total and/or do not take quota because of an image problem, and fair or not, PNMs have decided they would rather not be Greek than join that chapter. They might very well consider a new, untainted chapter. Like I said, I have no idea what the situation is at App State, but some chapters just won't ever become stronger, no matter what Panhellenic does.

Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1399250)

I disagree. While I don't have an opinion about App State, this reasoning hasn't played out historically. Sometimes one or more chapters are below total and/or do not take quota because of an image problem, and fair or not, PNMs have decided they would rather not be Greek than join that chapter. They might very well consider a new, untainted chapter. Like I said, I have no idea what the situation is at App State, but some chapters just won't ever become stronger, no matter what Panhellenic does.

Originally Posted by ZTAngel (Post 1399391)

Yes. I agree 100%.

Originally Posted by aopirose (Post 1400282)

Quota is set based on the number of PMs who participate at a certain point. Let’s say there are 6 sororities, 4 rounds: Open house, Philanthropy, Sisterhood and Preference. Panhellenic decides to set Quota based on the number of women accepting Preference invitations. 150 women register for recruitment but by Preference, 100 accept, so Quota is 17.

Whenever expansion does occur, it is preferable that all chapters are at or above Total. That doesn't always happen especially if a chapter is so small that it isn't competative numbers wise. At that point, the chapter needs to decide if it is going to fish or cut bait. Who knows? They may be happy with thier size.

Originally Posted by Aphigal (Post 1400340)

Actually that's sort of the "old way" to set quota...if it's an RFM campus - which App is then quota is set as a quota range. Quota is run numerous times during bid matching to see which number works out best for the chapters and the pnm's involved. There were 112 women left in pref - why quota wasn't 16 I am unsure...

BUT we need to see the forest through the trees....quota has been:
2006 - 13
2005 - 13
2004 - 10!!!

I would like to see quota stabilize at 19 - or even 20 and the weaker group allowed a rush or 2 of final cultivation - even recolonization if that group chooses- before bringing a new group on.

Originally Posted by Aphigal (Post 1400380)

I don't know what campus you are on but that is not a typical timeline. Many times you present in the spring, come on the the next semester (fall). Or present in the fall and come on in the spring.

I have been invovled in processes where you got on within a month of getting accepted. I have also been involved in one where it was longer than a year but a major housing inititative was involved.