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irishpipes 04-21-2007 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 1433779)
No, I don't think that. That is what I am asking. I know for a fact that the chapter in question was not an RM issue, and they have been gone long enough (10 years?) that nobody remembers their reputation. I also strongly suspect that they have alumnae support in the area, as much as the groups that were chosen. What else goes into the initial proposal?

I do know that the groups chosen all have nearby chapters, so that would be one mitigating factor, but the one with a house has more chapters at large schools.

I realize that we have not all seen the proposals, but my point is that there must be some sort of objective criteria on which the CPH is supposed to decide.

As far as lots of houses moving, I agree that it would be fairly easy to find a house to rent. However, it would take a sizeable chunk of change to buy a house large enough to compete with the other NPC's. Now, I have no idea if there is an advantage to renting vs. owning your chapter house, but I would think a chapter coming back to campus would not want to buy something right away, so that would mean they would have to rent, be sure the colonization goes as planned, and then move.
Well, the only one that isn't one of the 3 presenting and owns a house on campus and "has chapters at large schools" just recolonized at a very large school just 3 hours from U of I. That could have affected that group's desire to recolonize at U of I and panhellenic's desire to allow then to recolonize. Colonizations take a crap load of alumnae support and money.

SWTXBelle 04-21-2007 10:54 PM
And, if my guess is correct, this sorority also is believed to be about to be asked to colonize later at a Texas school . . .

Drolefille 04-21-2007 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1433812)
Well, the only one that isn't one of the 3 presenting and owns a house on campus and "has chapters at large schools" just recolonized at a very large school just 3 hours from U of I. That could have affected that group's desire to recolonize at U of I and panhellenic's desire to allow then to recolonize. Colonizations take a crap load of alumnae support and money.
Particularly if a house is involved.

I still don't actually know what chapter it is (not gonna ask, I don't want to know) :p

irishpipes 04-21-2007 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1433826)
Particularly if a house is involved.

I still don't actually know what chapter it is (not gonna ask, I don't want to know) :p
The only NPCs not at Illinois right now are:

Alpha Xi Delta
Alpha Sigma Alpha
Alpha Sigma Tau
Delta Phi Epsilon
Zeta Tau Alpha
Theta Phi Alpha
Sigma Sigma Sigma

NPCs chosen to present are in bold.

So that should give you your answer, even though you don't want to know! :)

Drolefille 04-22-2007 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1433832)
The only NPCs not at Illinois right now are:

Alpha Xi Delta
Alpha Sigma Alpha
Alpha Sigma Tau
Delta Phi Epsilon
Zeta Tau Alpha
Theta Phi Alpha
Sigma Sigma Sigma

NPCs chosen to present are in bold.

So that should give you your answer, even though you don't want to know! :)
LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

But I don't know which one is colonizing elsewhere :p

DeltaBetaBaby 04-22-2007 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1433812)
Well, the only one that isn't one of the 3 presenting and owns a house on campus and "has chapters at large schools" just recolonized at a very large school just 3 hours from U of I. That could have affected that group's desire to recolonize at U of I and panhellenic's desire to allow then to recolonize. Colonizations take a crap load of alumnae support and money.
Yes, they definitely involve much in the way of resources, but I think that is my confusion. Wouldn't the single largest expense be the purchase of a house?

The only thing I can think of is that the org in question didn't even send in a proposal, thinking their resources would be too thin with the other colonization.

aopirose 04-22-2007 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 1434020)
Yes, they definitely involve much in the way of resources, but I think that is my confusion. Wouldn't the single largest expense be the purchase of a house?

The only thing I can think of is that the org in question didn't even send in a proposal, thinking their resources would be too thin with the other colonization.
Or maybe it was something else entirely. Sometimes a group may choose not to submit for many reasons that have nothing to do with potentially thin resources.

As far as expenditures, yes, a house can be the biggest line item, but there are other costs to factor in as well. Travel for the volunteers and resident consultant(s). Also, an organization may pay for the living and maybe educational expenses for resident consultant(s). If they are picking up these expenses, for how many RCs and for how long? Throw in the regular colonization expenses for customized PR items and community events it adds up pretty quickly.

TSteven 04-22-2007 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 1433779)
What else goes into the initial proposal?

I realize that we have not all seen the proposals, but my point is that there must be some sort of objective criteria on which the CPH is supposed to decide.
I don't know if this helps, but the following general information is required by The University of Kentucky (UK) IFC Expansion Committee from any fraternity wanting to expand to UK. I would guess that collegiate panhellenic councils might have similar type of requirements as part of the proposals.

1. Number of alumni within a 100-mile radius of Lexington [UK];

2. number of colonization attempts in the last five (5) years, their respective status, and the names of the institutions at which they are located;

3. number of colonization attempts presently pending and the names of the respective institutions;

4. name of the institution housing the nearest chartered chapter of the fraternity and its status;

5. the ratio of field staff/consultants to chapters/colonies and the set visitation program;

6. reason for interest in colonizing at the University of Kentucky; and

7. status of housing corporation/alumni boards and plans for facilities in Lexington [UK].

OrangeJuice 05-01-2007 10:23 PM
Alph Xi Delta got it! Just in case anyone was curious...

OrangeJuice 05-01-2007 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 1415593)
i looked over the grades report . it seems most chapters are comparable in size. i mean, when one chapter is around 180 and another is at 150, will a pnm at a recruitment party really notice that one has 30 less members than the other?

i did only see one npc sorority that had low numbers-did i just miss seeing the other one? i believe that orangejuice mentioned 2.
Hi!
Well, the one you are referring to chooses not to participate in formal recruitment. For most people, that one is sort of off the radaar, honestly. I was referring to two others that do.

OrangeJuice 05-01-2007 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 1432709)
OJ, any idea why they would choose a chapter that has never been there over one that still owns a house?
All of the chapters have been at U of I at one point.

irishpipes 05-02-2007 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeJuice (Post 1439453)
All of the chapters have been at U of I at one point.
AST has never been at U of I.


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