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Kevin 01-19-2007 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1386112)
Kevin,

Again I admit up front that my info is based on wikipedia, but when I look up negligent homicide, there's either an expectation that one party be expected to provide care to another, like patients in a nursing home, or an expectation that the person accused failed to excercise the reasonable amount of caution that the average person would use.

It varies from state to state. I'll admit, I have absolutely no idea what California's law is on this, nor do I care to look it up. I live in Oklahoma, so that kind of knowledge would just go into my brain and probably push something useful out :)

Negligent homicide in my understanding is essentially any time negligence is the cause of a death. Negligence has 4 elements. First, you have to have a duty of some sort to the victim. In this case, the radio station could easily be said to have a duty to not cause harm to the participants of its contest. Further, there are reports that people had warned the radio station's producer that this was dangerous. He proceeded with the contest. I think you can make a solid case for that element. I'm glossing over some of the particularities, I know, but that's it in a nutshell.

Next, you have to have a breach of that duty. Easy. The station's duty was to not harm its contestants, and it harmed the contestants.... so there's the breach.

Next is proximate cause. The radio station would have to have somehow caused the injury in question. Now, sure, the woman was the one who drank the water. She did it of her own free will. However, but for the station's contest, she wouldn't have been chugaluging that water. There's no intervening, unforeseeable harm to supervene, none of that. The cause of the death was the drinking of the water which was the object of the contest put on by the station. The causal chain is about as long as we have in a car accident. There's proximate cause. Easy.

Finally, there must be damages... a pointless question to ask in a criminal investigation. That's more civil tort stuff which probably doesn't even come in here. If it did, she's dead. That's pretty damaged. End of analysis :)

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At any rate, my understanding of the doctrine is that generally negligence plus a death caused by that negligence equals negligent homicide. There are all kinds of exceptions, I'm sure. The Wiki article seemed to be pretty bad.

Most states do require more than regular tort negligence to get to criminal negligence. Most express that "something more" is required, but few define what that is. Some states require gross negligence, some require a high risk of death or serious bodily harm. It really does vary.

That said, the wiki article is terrible.
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Since the dangers of water poisoning seem to me to either A) be unknown by a large section of the public or B) explained in this case by help care professions to the DJs and the participants, and all continued to proceed, I don't get why the station is the responsible party.

Can you explain it to me?

When people are convicted, there's usually also been a failure to seek appropriate professional help after the fact, which doesn't seem to be the case here.[/QUOTE]

Kevin 01-19-2007 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jessXIca (Post 1386148)
The waver was about publicity, not how dangerous the activity was.

And even if it was for injury, if there are any successful criminal charges, you cannot waive a criminal act.

Tom Earp 01-19-2007 05:29 PM

Kevin, please correct me if I am wrong.

It was a case of where a person died, true.

It was not premetitated for a person dieing.

Now it comes to the attention of the Station DJ's being called and telling them they could cause damage which they ignored as a waiver was signed.

Now, where is the culpability for a true crime? Stupidity?:( Yes!

Would it possibilty of a misdomeaner or a felony?

Just a guess, misdomeaner and being stupid. Of course they have been fired but what justice should be meted out?

Kevin 01-19-2007 06:01 PM

I don't think you can have a killing be a misdemeanor.

As far as premeditation, that's not required for manslaughter. It's not even required for all forms of murder (e.g., felony murder).

DeltAlum 01-21-2007 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1386055)
That makes sense, but under those circumstance it seem more appropriate to suspend the station's FCC license because they generally failed to deliver on that mission.


And I agree that the contest was stupid, but how could you reconcile the purpose you've given with the crappy alcohol ads, fake weightloss product ads, and random lewd but safe contests stations run generally?

On your first point, I agree. I think the station's license should be pulled.

On the second, though, it isn't within the expertise of broadcasters to know if something like alcohol, over the counter drugs and stuff like that is safe. Even though, in some cases, everyone knows better. It took decades for the government to ban cigarette advertising even after fairly clear links to cancer were discovered. I'm also not saying that some stations will not do pretty much anything for money. I've not been in commercial, on air broadcasting for a while, but I seem to recall there there were some free speech issues claimed by some advertisers who were denied air time.

I don't remember what they were and I don't remeber how those issues were resolved.

DeltAlum 01-26-2007 01:33 PM

http://www.nbc11.com/news/10762819/detail.html

According to the story link above, a wrongful death suit will be filed. The attorney for the family of the victim says it wants to make an example of the "shock jocks" involved who allegedly knew of the dangers involved and made jokes about the situation.

Tom Earp 01-26-2007 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum (Post 1389766)
http://www.nbc11.com/news/10762819/detail.html

According to the story link above, a wrongful death suit will be filed. The attorney for the family of the victim says it wants to make an example of the "shock jocks" involved who allegedly knew of the dangers involved and made jokes about the situation.

And that may be the key point of the case.

"They were told and ignored"!

But, I do not think it was until recently that the fact of water poisoning has come to light?


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