I realized what you meant... I was talking about heroin with the needle... Didn't inhale ->Pot
Didn't use ->Meth
Didn't inject-> Heroin

Meth, what a white trash drug.

its more common in the midwest, i think, people want it in their blood faster

meth isn't funny

the bamboo stick of righousness is funny, though, no matter where it came from. :)

Drolefille, I wasn't trying to call you out :(

I really don't understand why people, knowing that it contains stuff like charcoal, lighter fluid, etc...would put that in their body???

No worries :D Just keeping my intellectual property intact.

Can someone please tell me the difference between evangelical and fundamentalist? I looked them up and became more confused. Thank you. :)

Peaches, I don't really know actually. Evangelical Christians generally means those who support converting others to Christianity, the idea of salvation, etc.
Now, in reality, the confusion comes in with the changing word "fundamentalist" which now has a negative connotation in many senses. Thus people think that the Westboro Baptist Church or whatever it is is how Baptist churches are. Most evangelical Christians have strong views about right and wrong, but they aren't going "you're going to hell for being gay". We think all sin gets you to hell without Christ, be it having a gay affair or stealing a candy bar. Most don't want to condemn, they want you to find what they've found. Of course, this is my version, but its also based on a lifetime within Baptist/Methodist churches. It just so happens that the harshest and most hypocritical evangelical Christians often tend to be the loudest.

Evangelical leader says he bought drugs
 

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard said Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a male prostitute. But the influential Christian evangelist insisted he threw the drugs away and never had sex with the man.

Haggard, who as president of the National Association of Evangelicals wielded influence on Capitol Hill and condemned both gay marriage and homosexuality, resigned on Thursday after a Denver man named Mike Jones claimed that he had many drug-fueled trysts with Haggard.

On Friday, Haggard said that he received a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel, and that he bought meth for himself from the man.

But Haggard said he never had sex with Jones. And as for the drugs, "I was tempted, but I never used it," the 50-year-old Haggard told reporters from his vehicle while leaving his home with his wife and three of his five children.

Jones, 49, denied selling meth to Haggard. "Never," he told MSNBC. Haggard "met someone else that I had hooked him up with to buy it."

Jones also scoffed at the idea that a hotel would have sent Haggard to him.

"No concierge in Denver would have referred me," he said. He said he had advertised himself as an escort only in gay publications or on gay Web sites.

Jones did not immediately return calls from The Associated Press on Friday.

In addition to resigning his post at the NAE, which claims 30 million members, Haggard stepped aside as leader of his 14,000-member New Life Church pending a church investigation. In a TV interview this week, he said: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."

In Denver, where Jones said his encounters with Haggard took place, police said in a news release they planned to contact the people involved for information on whether a crime was committed. The statement did not say whether an investigation was under way, and police spokeswoman Virginia Quinones declined to elaborate.

Lynn Kimbrough, a spokeswoman for the district attorney's office, said that a public admission isn't enough by itself to bring a case, but that charges will be filed if criminal conduct can be proved.

Jones claims Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years until August. He said Haggard identified himself as "Art." Jones said that he learned who Haggard really was when he saw the evangelical leader on television.

Jones said he went public with the allegations because Haggard has supported a measure on Tuesday's ballot that would amend the state constitution to ban gay marriage. Jones said he was also angry that Haggard in public condemned gay sex.

Haggard, who had been president of the NAE since 2003, has participated in conservative Christian leaders' conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on U.S. Supreme Court nominees.

The NAE's executive committee issued a statement Friday praising Haggard's service but saying "it is especially serious when a pastor and prominent Christian leader deliberately violates God's standards of conduct."

The statement did not mention the allegations against Haggard beyond noting he had admitted to "some indiscretions."

"Due to the seriousness of Rev. Haggard's misconduct while in the leadership roles he held, we anticipate that an extended period of recovery will be appropriate," the statement said.

White House Deputy Press Secretary Tony Fratto said Friday that Haggard had visited the White House once or twice and participated in some of the conference calls. He declined to comment further, calling the matter a personal issue for Haggard.

Corwin Smidt, a political scientist at Calvin College in Grand Rapids, Mich., and director of the Institute for the Study of Christianity and Politics there, said that Haggard's role with the association gave him some political clout, but that the group's focus is more on religion than political activism.

"It isn't necessarily that all evangelicals are paying close attention to what he's saying and doing, but he is an important leader," Smidt said.

James Dobson, head of Focus on the Family, an influential conservative Christian ministry based in Colorado Springs, said he was "heartsick" over the allegations. He described Haggard as his close friend and colleague.

Aaron Stern, another pastor at New Life, told Associated Press Television News on Friday that Haggard is a man of integrity and that church members don't know whether to believe the allegations.

Stern said he has been telling church members seeking his advice: "People do things we don't expect them to do, but in the midst of all of that our God is faithful, our God is strong."

Jones took a lie-detector test Friday, and his answers to questions about whether he had sexual contact with Haggard "indicated deception," said John Kresnick, who administered the test free at the request of a Denver radio station.

Jones told reporters afterward: "I am confused why I failed that, other than the fact that I'm totally exhausted."

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Associated Press writers Robert Weller and Dan Elliott in Denver contributed to this report.

Got to go to work, so not a lot of time to read all of the recent posts, so I don't know if this has been mentioned.

Denver radio station KHOW actually broke this story. Jones appeared on the Peter Boyles Show (local radio talk show host whom I've known for years) there yesterday and apparantely actually took a polygraph test on the air and the results were mixed.

I know that lie detectors are questionable, and this only adds more questions.

As for the meth and massage stuff...come on...

I don't know how credible either of these guys are right now.

First, he denied all allegations. Then, he's all, yeah I bought meth from him, but I didn't actually use it. Finally, he says that he received a "massage."

I have a few comments:

-The televangelism industry must not be doing that well if he has to resort to meth. Coke, I can understand. But CRANK?!

-Why buy it if you don't use it? I call BS on this one.

-I'm sure that massage came with a "happy ending."

Fundamentalism
Evangelical -> Evangelicism

Now the pastor is resigning, not just temporarily stepping down:

Excerpt from article (link below excerpts):

The Rev. Ted Haggard agreed to resign Saturday from his New Life Church after its independent investigative board recommended removal, saying he was guilty ``of sexually immoral conduct.''

``We, the Overseer Board of New Life Church, have concluded our deliberations concerning the moral failings of Pastor Ted Haggard,'' a statement from the church said. ``Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct.''

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...192080,00.html

The following is a link to a story in this mornings Rocky Mountain News...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...118233,00.html

Interesting.

Today's Denver Post reports that Haggard has been fired due to his admissions that some of the charges are true.

I only bring that up since, to this point, he had voluntarily stepped aside pending investigations, etc.

Also, Jones is quoted as saying that he never meant for Haggard to lose his job or to ruin his family life -- it was all because of his anti gay rights stands.

Duh!

Give us a break on both sides.

Hey, as someone pointed out, "It's a message board."

It's not up to you or anyone else to tell me to "Shut up."

And I'm a broadcaster (television director), not a journalist -- although part of the latter does rub off.