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Originally Posted by BluBlaZon

Well I agree with DSTChaos and why is it that the people who have ONLY observed and are non-nphc talking about our mentality as an organization...you will find in the media alone that binge drinking and sexual perversion is more linked to non-nphc orgs. [not all], but some.

It goes both ways. Many NPHCers have unfounded opinions of NPC and IFCers.

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Originally Posted by BluBlaZon

So to say that we are thuggish and a street gang....yes we are hardcore about our values that our founders have impressed upon us and as far as the street gang mantality...we do take it to the streets with our service, our scholarship and showcasing our bond.. don't try to make us sound negative if you have ONLY observed and not actually spent time with any members in a NPHC org.

LOL...uh...okay.

But on the flip side, there are some "intelligent and not-so-intelligent hoodlums" in every organization. Not MOST but ENOUGH.

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Now this is where you went wrong. MOST as opposed to MANY?

Out of hundreds of thousands of members at the undergraduate and graduate level, out of the doctors and lawyers and educators and leaders--you're prepared to say that MOST act as a STREET gang? A STREET gang? Do you know what that entails and implies? :rolleyes:

I also said that was based only on MY experiences and that of my friends that I have discussed this with. Even if it is not true, the image most certainly is, and image is a big part in how people percieve our orgs.

Shortfuse, for the my sake, please read what I said before before trying to call me out. NPHC groups don't interest me. My reputation as a racist, however, does. So therefore, I will continue to respond to anyone referring to me. I didn't think that would be so difficult to understand...

Now did someone actually just say AmeriKKKan institutions? Thats the kinda shit that probably makes IFC people view some in NPHC's badly.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Now did someone actually just say

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AmeriKKKan institutions?

Thats the kinda shit that probably makes IFC people view some in NPHC's badly.

See how easily upset you were by that statement

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AmeriKKKan institutions?

. Thats how I and members of the NPHC organizations feel when you mentioned your limited interactions/research into those organizations.

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This is sad...so you are telling me that because of a few experiences, you have generalized your opinion to include a majority of NPHC members? Many, most, some...when speaking numbers, its hard to say who is and who isn't!

That's like saying ALL black people or MOST black people are poor and we KNOW that's not true...or all white people are racist and we know that isn't true! I'm sorry but a FEW ignorant/bad ones does not corrupt the entire bunch.

Well for the record, that second quote I don't think was mine so I won't respond to it. Now as for the AmeriKKKan institutions, I'm really not very upset, but rather dumbfounded by such a moronic statement. You are also under the mistaken impression than I would be sensitive to a comment like "see how that makes you feel, thats how other people feel when ______." This is becoming similar to the whole "you shouldnt fly the confederate flag because it is offensive" thing.

For what it's worth, the poster who said "AmeriKKKan institutions" turned out to be a perp and has been gone from GC for a while.

So they have something in common with the one who was so offended by it..

I said something, not everything.

Haha, well i'm no perp, thankfully I'm well connected and those charges were dropped. Case dismissed.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

If you truly want to get into why black fraternities were founded after white fraternities, its not only because they werent allowed in white fraternities, but also because they weren't even in college when many IFC fraternities were founded.

are you sure about that? i'm gonna echo what others have said - PLEASE do some research. HBCU's were founded because blacks were not allowed to attend the white universities - but i would bet there are African American families that have college degrees older than your fraternity.

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

I made the comment earlier about most black fraternities that I have seen being more like a street gang then a traditional fraternity and that is due to personal experience on my campus, and other campuses my friends attend. I can bring up many different examples, such as a girl in my ex-gf house @ Oklahoma State which got shot because black fraternity members werent allowed at their private function. A guy pulled out a pistol and started shooting through the door of the party. I can recall numerous such instances at OSU, my school, and others. I'm not saying this has never happened @ an IFC chapter, but it doesn't seem nearly as frequent.

I also see much of the hip-hop culture that black fraternities try so often to emulate as contributing to the "thuggish/gangster" image and not something any respected IFC fraternity, especially in the south would tolerate. In my opinion there is nothing respectable about emulating criminals in a higher learning institution and then calling yourself a fraternity which is supposed to be the cream of the crop of any given campus. Don't get me wrong, I like hip-hop at parties as dancing music and all, but there is a difference between listening to music and trying to live it.

I feel like these are a few of the many factors that give your organizations the image of being thuggish. I will repeat what I said earlier, i'm basing all this on my personal experience and I realize that not all black chapters fall into this category. This is my OPINION, and an honest one at that, I will not beat around the bush and be PC about it so i'm sorry if I hurt anybodys feelings.

are you sure those that pulled out the gun were members of a NPHC?
and if i were to say all the IFC's that i have seen are rapist and get girls drunk just so they can sleep with them that's ok cause its my opinion? even if i know girls (now women) who that actually happened to? i am now to associate EVERY IFC w/that or those experiences?

its not about hurting anyone's feelings, and yes we all should be honest with each other and ASK honest questions, but stuff gets stupid when individuals make ASSumptions about a WHOLE group because of one or two experiences or STORIES that they have heard 2nd or 3rd hand.

I would hope that you both could/would use this forum and site to do some research, read some of the threads about the Divine 9 - and begin to understand that its more than just your surface looks.

Education is important to me and it is my assumption that every member of this board feels the same way - and therefore educating one another should be of importance - not tearing down and not saying i don't really care about XXX but say comments that have no place in the dicussion - except to upset others

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

(How did this thread get HERE, btw? Where did School Daze go? :confused: )

Yeah, i was wondering that too..... so are there still aux groups hanging around? I don't hear about them as much.......

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Originally Posted by orighu

Yeah, i was wondering that too..... so are there still aux groups hanging around? I don't hear about them as much.......

I have heard of some ...but I think its in certain areas...

Well my comments about blacks not being in college at the time IFC fraternities were founded wasnt an all encompassing statement...of course there were black college students at the time. I didn't do any research on this, so you can if you'd like, but I still imagine you'll agree with me that the huge majority of all college students at the time most IFC fraternities were founded were white. I pulled up a stat saying only 21 percent of white americans had college degrees (BA) in 1997, and only 14 percent of blacks did. I'm guessing that in the mid to late 1800's, this number was much lower for whites, with the gap between them and black americans being much larger than it is today given the social climate.

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

Yeah so I hope this is a learning experience for you.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

I didn't do any research on this, so you can if you'd like, but I still imagine you'll agree with me that the huge majority of all college students at the time most IFC fraternities were founded were white.

Correct and, for the record, this obvious point requires no research.