LOL. Think what you want because it makes no difference.

No she saying it makes no sense repeating the same damn thing over and over again. It's clear that you just want to argue. but I haven't heard a "response" from you that makes sense.

Correct and it was never founded or marketed as such. Kwanzaa is intended to be a Black/African American celebration of the fruits of harvest and African roots. It is acknowledgement of African ancestry without ignoring the rich intellectual and cultural traditions of Black America. A traditional African holiday (I don't know of any) does not have the same effect.

I do not celebrate Kwanzaa and I do not know anyone who does beyond their organizations mentioning Kwanzaa during more general holiday celebrations. I do appreciate the principles of Kwanzaa and believe that these principles can be found and honored in every day life.

My thoughts are on point.

By the way "Think what you want because it makes no difference" LOL LOL LMAO LMFAO!!! HARDY HAR HAR HAR!

-Rudey

Again, tell me what I have an opinion on and what that opinion is.

-Rudey

In respect to the article

YOUR OPINION. Not a fact.


Opinion that NO non-black people celebrating Kwanzaa because you didn't haven't heard nor seen it.

Even if you're try that (that's not an opinion) defense, it's still short-sighted because it's clear that YOU DON'T KNOW because it's impossible for you to know everybody in this country.

No.

Many African Americans know about Kwanzaa but can not tell you its principles. Kwanzaa was a more salient celebration when it was founded during the 60s. While racism and discrimination still exist, the 60s marked the Civil Rights Movement and more overt acts. There was even more need for minority groups to have a sense of unity and identity beyond what unwelcoming AmeriKKKa had to offer.

There are all sorts of celebrations that I have never heard of. That doesn't give me the right to question their authenticity or whether people should celebrate them. Kwanzaa is most often mentioned when people are trying to appear all-inclusive. In this country there are only a few celebrations around this time of the year that a majority or numerically recognizable subset of the population celebrate: Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and I believe Ramadan is over before the Thanksgiving-Christmas time of the year.

Thank you, Chaos, that is a very well considered answer to what I believe was a very respectful original question on the part of Lady Pi Phi.

At this point, though, I'm not even you were responding to her.

Anyway, thanks for the post.

In respect the the article? You're losing me but perhaps a more detailed explanation would work.

No "tip toe" and "close to" are not the same thing as "being". That's not an opinion. If it's racist, say racist. Don't say it's close to it. If I came close to winning and didn't win, then I didn't win.

And if you read the last quote, it said I didn't know anybody that celebrated it. That is the truth. It is not an opinion. It is a pure fact. I don't know anybody that celebrates it. Maybe you do. What don't you get here? You're making the ASSumption that I said no blacks ever celebrate Kwanzaa.

I expect an apology now Shortfuse.

-Rudey

First off you and I are operating on a different definition and understanding of the term “racist” or “racism”. For me, and most Canadians, racism doesn’t have to be tied into any power structure or relationship… an individual can be racist if they exhibit/display bigotry, racial prejudice, racial stereotypes, even name calling – the definition of a racist is a little more broad up here as you can see. So in effect, to me (and again most Canadians) the term bigot and racist can be used interchangeably, with the same meaning.

Link to “definition” from the federal government’s program to combat racism:
http://www.gnb.ca/hrc-cdp/e/sayno.htm

As for hooiser revealing himself to be a racist tool – well lets just say that it’s nice he provided proof for the whole board this time… of course it would have been a little more blatant if he’d quoted something from Mein Kampf or The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or perhaps the Turner Diaries – but the effect is pretty much the same. Heck the only thing I’m really surprised about is that he didn’t also post a link to FOXNews doing that favourable piece about Stormfront.org
:rolleyes:

That's opinion. You believe being close isn't racist. Most people believe that being close is just as bad. Thinking about rape is as bad as being a rapist don't you think?

You won't GET an apology because I never said that you SAID no blacks celebrate it. You questioned it by saying you've never heard of anybody celebrating it. But why go back and forth with this?

Sometimes I wish the terms "racist" and "racism" would be in the back of people's minds so they can formulate an opinion and response without such emotionally charged catch phrasing. It takes a lot more depth to think and speak beyond catch phrases.

This would give REAL racists and acts of racism the chance to be uncovered instead of being blended in with the prejudiced bigots of the world. The article expressed some unpopular viewpoints. It may be charged by bigotry or even racist ideals. However, sometimes unpopular viewpoints are just unpopular viewpoints.

Again, it's not the same. Close to winning (second place) is not the same as winning (first place). There is no opinion. Thinking about rape is not the same as raping someone. You can ask the courts that convict rapists for actions and the victims of rapists who suffered from actions. That was a bad analogy so let's stick with my "First place" and "Second place" analogy instead.

You must have a short memory. You should apologize. I would apologize to you if I made such an accusation. It's only fair.

-Rudey

And please demonstrate how using your newly defined "Racism" even allows that word to be used here.

I posted a link to a thread on the Alpha Kappa Alpha forum - a black sorority - that had similar viewpoints from people who didn't believe in Kwanzaa as well as background on the creator. Are they racist too now?

-Rudey

No.

You also can't account for what people are thinking or how close they are coming to being a particular thing. If the person is being a bigot, just call the person a bigot (which is what I thought you did). If they are an extreme bigot, call them an extreme bigot. Bringing in the concepts racist and racism are not as evident just from reading that particular article.