So I do agree with You on this point. Does that Meet Your OKAY?

Erik, You were out of line on that post!

But there are some on here who no matter what you say now it will not be right.

Your are # 1 On The Sh*t list parade! 2nd only to hoosier. Well, maybe is 1st for a bit. Well a race to close to call at the moment!:D

The Knights of Columbus, a Catholic organization, function in the same manner as the fraternal organizations discussed by Mr. Conard.

I understand that logic isn't your strong suit, Mr. Earp, but this was not a big leap to make.

Well, Tom - at least when I agree with you on a point (see the thread in alum forum about the alum reality show), I can have the CLASS to say that I agree with you & that you are right on with your post. I don't have to be a smartass about it -- but that would be the difference between you & me, now wouldn't it. :rolleyes:

Yes, I am well aware of what Knights of Columbus are.

And Your pointed Response is Why?

I know what My Logic is, just what is Yours? Just chimming in .

Maybe the stick comment was correct to a certain extent.

What?

120, Earp.

I didn't mean that I thought that orgs currently at 4-yr schools should make an effort to expand to 2-yrs. But if other groups want to include both, or even just focus on 2-yrs, why can't they call themselves fraternities and sororities too?

I'm not saying, for example, that KD or ZPhiB or whichever org that restricts to 4 yrs, ought to expand. I agree that they probably shouldn't. But if org ABC or XYZ want to serve both communities, or the 2-yr community exclusively, more power to them.

The idea of not going to Jr. Colleges is not new.

LXA voted it down at the last G A.

Reasoning is that many people go to a Jr. College for two Years while others will transfer to a 4 Year College.

If they were a Member of a Greek Organization, it may not work out as While, maybe being a member of said Organization, there still has to be a vote on whether to accept them in the Local Chapter.

It may sound strange but each Chapter has a little different ambiance or stance for lack of a better word about it than those in other areas of the country.

I'm sorry, but - what? I honestly am not entirely sure what you are saying. I am not talking about LXA or any other GLO that is established as an org for 4 yr schools, as I said before. I am talking about if a NEW group wants to establish themselves as, for example, the XYZ fraternity for people at 2 yr schools. What's wrong with that? If letters are for life, it really shouldn't matter if they graduate in 2 years.

Vincennes University is a two-year school with GLOs. They have three locals and Pi Lambda Phi. Sigma Pi was founded there and was on campus until recently. (although according to the Sigma Pi website, it's still there.)

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Well, certainly like to hear all points of view.
I was flabbergasted to hear the KC's mentioned as a fraternity.
It is almost a requirement to belong in some communities and in
others they function with the Shriners (I am a 30 yr member)
The Knights of Columbus is a religious organization, kinda thought
of as an answer to the Shrine. They do some good things, but I
really don't think they fit in the undegrad greek scene.
Yes, I can well understand why the greeks of today have problems. With such stellar leadership what else is there to say?
See you at the mall.

Erik's just a classic GLO elitist. Should Greek Life only be available to individuals in Ivy League, Big 12, Big 10, SEC, PAC-10 and Big East schools? I'm thinking no.

Being Greek was a hell of an experience for me at my regional-state-former-teachers-college-university. I would expect that the kids in smaller regional schools with 1-2 chapters are having a great experience as well. No one has chapters at Devry. No one has chapters at Junior Colleges (with maybe a handful of exceptions). I'm not sure what a "streetcar college" is, and if it's a college that opens up a regional branch in a shopping center, I seriously doubt they have rush events going on for the incoming 45 year old secretaries wanting to be court reporters.

But yeah -- considering where and how Erik's own organization has expanded, and where, I find such opinions to be almost funny coming from him.

-- Erik, we appreciate what you have done, but times have changed.

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You were discussing the Elks, Lions, Kiwanis, etc. You said you did not know of any catholic[sic] fraternal organizations. I pointed one out.

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K of C is without question a fraternal organization. It's our (Catholics) answer to the Masons.

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Lo! Some correct information.

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Yep.. higher-up KofC's get to wear feathered hats and brandish swords in church. That alone puts them ahead of the Masons.