Rite of passage meaning hazing??? That's usually what "rite of passage" is equated with in this day and age. And from my (admittedly limited) knowledge of NPHC groups, they actually have quite a bit of things that might be considered a right of passage in a more traditional (i.e. non hazing) sense.

I think you're jumping into a hole that you really shouldn't here.

It's one thing to say NPHC orgs aren't for me, so i'm going to start something that is. It's a whole 'nother ball of wax to keep on trying to insult them. The first option is a little classier.

I knew it!

Thanks for sharing.

Its funny how people who aren't members of NPHC organizations know more than members. And how did NPHC even get into this conversation? Do what you do and leave NPHC be.

What I mean by rite of passage is NOT hazing. I expected something along the lines of passing along traditions or bonding. Didn't get that at all.

And have I said that it would be that way for all NPHC orgs, or even all chapters of that org? No, I'm just letting my experiences be known.

I'm not getting into any hole. I have much class. But I'm outspoken - If I have something to say, I'm going to say it.

As far as insulting them, I don't see how. Had I called out the organization, then that is getting messy. However, I did nothing of the sort.

NPHC got into the mix many, many posts ago.

And when everyone was holding my organization under the microscope, speaking on something they really know nothing about, I never said "leave Christrian GLOs out of it and just answer the question about the advertising!"

Discussion is discussion. If you can't face the fact that the NPHC orgs have many issues they should tackle, then you're in denial.

Am I hating on them? Nope...I love them. I respect them. My mother, some cousins, good friends, they're all apart of NPHC orgs. But reality is reality.

Okay you are being reeeeallly random right now. Your organization is not in NPHC, will probably never be in NPHC. So I don't see the need to bring it up in this conversation. Thanks. I wish you and your organization success but its clear to me that ya'll need to do a bit more research. Organizations that want to have a long future aren't created in weekends.

It's not random, it was brought up a long time ago in the thread, and it was a topic that kept coming up. And we would never want to be apart of NPHC...that would defeat our purpose.

While you're on the topic of relvancy, the majority of this thread has been irrelevant to my original inquiry - including all your posts.

Trust, I know more about most of the NPHC orgs than you could even fathom I know. As for us doing more research, it's a process. We know enough to get started, now we're taking it as we go along.

I can't stay quiet any longer
 

Ok, I am going to choose my words very carefully. I understand that you had some problems with a NPHC sorority. I understand that you did not find what you were looking for. I understand that it was not a dream come true for you. I undertsand that you wish to create something to fill what you consider to be a void. SO.... DO JUST THAT!!! It is obvious from your posts that you have some unresolved bitterness from your interactions with another sorority, but I strongly suggest you face those emotions and disappointment personally before you unintentionally spread it among your other members like a suffocating virus. There is nothing more UNattractive to me than an organization that is fixated on what is wrong in another organization; why would someone wish to join a group that judges, condescends and gains a sense of fufillment from looking down on others? It is easy to point fingers, but until your group has survived trials and tribulations for a century when people did not want you to last one day, then you are not in a position to criticize. YOU SAY "SO MANY OBSTACLES" BUT YOU HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN INCORPORATED FOR A WEEK!!!! Imagine what the NPHC has been through, trying to find their way without the luxury of an internet or so much good advice from GCers. So maybe you feel from what you have seen that there is a lack of unity among the NPHC. Take note of it and do your best not to have the same thing happen between yourself and the other Christian sororities. But sweetheart, you are getting a little too big for your britches. Founder or not, there is a tone you should have when addressing people, especially when you are asking them for help. Go back through the posts and see I was one of the first to comment and have only wished you well. Slow down, listen to those around, remain in prayer and continue to be respectful and I hope that this sorority provides you and others all that they desire.

I can only speak for my organization, but I received that "rite of passage".

Like someone said, it seems as if you are looking to replace that experience with a new one, one that you can control of aspects of. That's fine if you want to do that, but then don't be upset if people question your motives.

Another question: On your website under the FAQs, you have stated that your org has a call, handsign, steps, etc. You've already claimed on this board that your main goal is to uplift the Black community. How does a handsign and a call do that? To many (and others may feel this way as well), there are a million groups that claim to be so different from NPHC orgs, yet they latch onto these traditions that apart of NPHC culture. So if you want to be so different from NPHC orgs, why do you need a call, handsign, etc.?

OHHHHH YEAH (and this just doesn't apply to this instance either).

I see so many groups - of all colors - that say "we want to be something totally different" but that "totally different" usually never excludes the fun parts of sorority/fraternity life, like stepping, mixers, etc.

Re: I can't stay quiet any longer
 

you talk about what's unattractive, but why did you have to "stay quiet" while everyone was pointing out what's wrong with my organization? Were they not criticizing, placing us under scrutiny? You say I'm not addressing people correctly, but what about the way people are addressing me? How many comments can you find in this thread that could be considered "disrespectful"?

And while I appreciate all the comments, well wishing, snide remarks, criticisms, etc, all I wanted were suggestions on discreet advertising.

So why is it that when I pose a question, I'm being "bitter" and "too big for my britches"? Why can't others answer questions as I have? By the way, I never crticized, and made it clear that I support all GLOs, but most aren't what I wanted. Meanwhile, I find it crazy that people who don't know me from some random heffa they may meet on the street can analyze me and say I'm bitter lol. You just don't know me to say such a thing.

And yes I said "so many obstacles" because that is what we face, especially being new. We had critical decisions to make, had to question whether we were the right ones to even go on this venture. Had work out our days/time so we could put forth enough effort, we're constantly getting asked 21 questions and bein scrutinized. But that's part of the deal we made when we decided to start this. So YES, we face many obstacles.

Ok, to sum it all up: I support & respect ALL GLOs, I will come at people the way they come at me/respect them to the degree that they respect me, and all I wanted was suggestions on discreet advertising, but mainly got judgement & criticism of my organization.

You're wrong. Why replace them when I can just be apart of them?? It would be a lot less time consuming and cost less to just do that. But it's not what I wanted. Anyway, I respect their founding principles, and they have my support...my mom's one of them.

Why can't we have all that? It is still a GLO, just done a bit differently.

While many GLOs may get drunk, fight, or act an ass at their social events, we don't. I'm not going to sit here and justify us participating in the traditions of Greek life. It is what it is.

I believe it was established long ago the main difference between us and NPHC orgs. They are inspired by Christian ideals, we're founded on them. In fact, that issue is addressed on our website.

And I answered in my post above why we have the traditions common to a BGLO.

You still didn't answer my question. Saying that you were founded on Christian ideals doesn't say WHY you NEED a handsign, call, etc. Now, if you had said "Jesus and the apostles had a handsign, so that's why we have one", then it could have made more sense. How does promoting Christianity have anything to do with a handsign or call?

BTW, I'm not trying to be disrespectful of Christianity above, I was just trying to make a point. Hope I didn't offend anyone.