Uh, the current US policy in Iraq and the War on Terror have been repeatedly called/viewed as a crusade by Christians against Mulsims by the extremists (of course Bush using the term crusade back in '01 didn't help) - perhaps this is what they are refering to, perhaps trying to link past and present in an effort to market their message more effectively to the fringe and those ignorant?

Having the degree in political science, I understand that.

That is not however, how it was presented on the NBC newscast. I was just repeating what was said on NBC.

So one of several things is possible:

1) The claim of responsibility just said it was due to the crusades.
2) NBC stated it that way - which they did.
3) The claim of responsability really said it was due to the Iraqi / Afghanastani actions and that was the crusade they were refereing to.
4) NBC messed up.

What a news program messing up in the race to report something new on a breaking story.... naaaaaaah:rolleyes:

Anyone else pretty impressed by the speed in which the London Police/Scotland Yard moved on this case?

All the cameras help, but still they're taking pictures of thousands of people.

We arent? :(

In spite of what Law Enforcement says is it really so?:o

Oh, if they caught these ass wholes who did it more power.:)

Should We actually Care, Yes. but use it wisely, PLEASE!:rolleyes:

To Be so used and watched.:confused:

No question that we're using cameras, too. According to the newscasts in New York City, though, there are about 400 plus around this city. Didn't I hear that there are 4000 in London?

Incidents going on in London. There are reports of shooting and nail bombs. Still not clear what exactly is going on yet.

I just got a letter yesterday from my friends in England - the one's daughter was to be in London on 7/7, but her train broke down just outside of London! Now this, at the Victoria Station. I'm very proud of how the British are handling this, but in my book
Terrorists Are Nothing But Sneaky Cowards!!!!

Okay, the stations shut down are the Oval, Shepherd's Bush, and Warren Street. One of these stations is quite close to the hospital where the victims from 2 weeks ago are. There may have been one arrest - it's unconfirmed - and there are reports of people being seen with "black bags".

There's something very strange about the lack of detail in this story.

It'll be interesting to see what is actually happening.

Well finally after all this, is Britain willing to stop providing sanctuary to terror suspects. Maybe next they'll be willing to move in to stop the hate sermons at their mosques and remove the terror promoting mayor of London.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/21/in...bombings.html?

July 21, 2005
Britain and Jordan Agree on Expulsion of Terror Suspects
By ALAN COWELL
LONDON, July 20 - Britain struck a preliminary agreement with Jordan on Wednesday that may lead to the expulsion of a suspected close ally of Osama bin Laden, the first in a series of measures aimed at curtailing the activities of militant clerics.

The new policy could take months to carry out in the face of expected court challenges. Abu Qatada, the cleric most likely to be affected, is a Palestinian citizen of Jordan. In court documents he has been called a "right-hand man" in Europe of Mr. bin Laden and a spiritual guide for Al Qaeda.

The agreement, expected to be followed by similar arrangements with other countries, is the latest sign that - belatedly in the eyes of its critics - Britain is cranking up antiterrorist procedures, moving away from a longstanding policy of offering sanctuary to Muslim radicals who might face torture or the death penalty in their own countries.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke said he had authorized the compilation of a global list of suspects likely to be expelled from or barred entry to Britain if they were found to be "preaching, running a Web site or writing articles which are intended to foment or provoke terrorism."

Almost two weeks after the bombings on July 7 that killed 56 people, Britain still seems to be in a state of shock as it grasps for ways to explain why four British Muslims rode into London aboard a commuter train with backpacks of explosives that detonated on three subway trains and a double-decker bus.

Ken Livingstone, the normally loquacious mayor of London, who earned considerable respect after the bombings for his restrained response, said in a BBC interview on Wednesday that the blame lay with "80 years of Western intervention into predominantly Arab lands because of the Western need for oil."

Asked if he denounced the London bombers, he said he also denounced "those governments which use indiscriminate slaughter to advance their foreign policy, as we have occasionally seen with the Israeli government bombing areas from which a terrorist group will have come, irrespective of the casualties it inflicts, women, children and men."

"Under foreign occupation and denied the right to vote, denied the right to run your own affairs, often denied the right to work for three generations," he said, "I suspect that if it had happened here in England we would have produced a lot of suicide bombers ourselves."

Prime Minister Tony Blair defended the British intelligence and law enforcement officials who less than a month before the attacks concluded that "at present there is not a group with both the current intent and the capability to attack the U.K.," according to a confidential terror assessment.

"I'm satisfied that they do everything that is possible to protect our country," Mr. Blair said Wednesday in Parliament.

The security report was sent to British government agencies, foreign governments and corporations in mid-June and prompted the British government to lower its formal threat assessment by one level.

But just weeks earlier, the country's ranking police officer, Sir Ian Blair, the head of Scotland Yard, offered a less optimistic assessment, saying a "credible threat" existed.

"The intelligence report that I see, and my colleagues and security services see, tells us that there is a credible threat," Sir Ian said in an interview with Ahmed Versi, editor of The Muslim News, a monthly. "There is a clear evidence of people reconnoitering, moving money around. There's a lot of stuff on e-mail and the Internet."

"I suppose I'd rather be accused of saying there's too much of a threat than appearing to be complacent," he said, according to a transcript of the interview. "We don't do the American stuff of raising instant warnings."

Mr. Versi said Wednesday that the interview was conducted on May 20 but was published in the June 24 issue of The Muslim News - two weeks before the London bombings.

A spokeswoman for Scotland Yard, who spoke in return for anonymity under police procedures, said the remarks reflected Sir Ian's assessment of the situation at the time he gave the interview. Neither in the interview nor subsequently has he said he had foreknowledge of the July 7 attacks, which the authorities have said came without warning.

The measures against what the police here call "preachers of hate" follow years of warnings from foreign intelligence services that British tolerance of radical clerics and terror suspects wanted in other places had turned London into "Londonistan" or "Beirut-on-Thames."

In Parliament on Wednesday, Mr. Clarke, the home secretary, said the government would introduce new measures to deny entry to those who advocated, supported or were in any way involved in terrorism.

"In the circumstances we now face," he said, "I've decided that it's right to broaden the use of these powers to deal with those who foment terrorism or seek to provoke others to terrorist acts. To this end I intend to draw up a list of unacceptable behaviors which would fall within this."

At the same time, Prime Minister Blair's office said Britain had reached an agreement in principle with Jordan that would allow Britain to deport Jordanians like Mr. Qatada without fear that they would be mistreated. Britain is bound by international convention not to deport people to countries where they risk inhuman or degrading treatment. It also says it does not return deportees to countries where they might face the death penalty.

In Parliament, Mr. Blair said he might call an international conference on radical Islam "to try to take concerted action right across the world to try to root out this kind of extremist teaching."

Mr. Qatada, who was sentenced to life imprisonment in Jordan in 1999, is one of several outspoken clerics. Another is the Egyptian-born Abu Hamza al-Masri, who is in detention facing extradition hearings instituted by the United States.

A third, Sheik Omar Bakri Mohamed, born in Syria, broke his silence Tuesday on the bombings to blame British voters and mainstream British Muslims for them. He has long been associated with the radical group Al Muhajiroun.

Anjem Choudary, a British-born figure also linked to Al Muhajiroun, declined to condemn the bombings and said in a BBC radio interview that there was a "very real possibility" of another attack.

"The real terrorists," he said, "are the British regime and even the British police, who have tried to divide the Muslim community into moderates and extremists, whereas this classification does not exist in Islam." The Daily Telegraph devoted part of its front page on Wednesday to photographs of three people - "The men who blame Britain," was the headline - with images of Sheik Mohamed, Mr. Choudary and Mr. Livingstone.

-Rudey

And this morning...

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Police in London are reported to have shot a man dead at a subway station, a day after bombers apparently failed to repeat the carnage of the July 7 blasts.

Unconfirmed media reports said the man shot at Stockwell station -- close to the Oval, one of four sites targeted by suspected bombers on Thursday -- was a suicide bomber.

One witness, Mark Whitby told the BBC on Friday the man appeared not to be carrying anything but was wearing a thick coat that looked padded.

Whitby said an Asian man was shot five times at close range after he had jumped on a train "They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him. He's dead," witness Mark Whitby told the BBC. "He looked like a cornered fox. He looked petrified."

(from CNN)

I feel for the people in London. It's got to be terrifying to get on a subway or bus there now.

Dee

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