But that's not the case at my university. We have VERY diverse chapters within our council. So they were just pulling stuff outta their arse in my opinion.

I'd have to agree, and I like the perspectives I'm seeing here. Perhaps I am too concerned about reasons for this or that.
I also really appreciate the story about visting another phi psi house, that one shouldn't be apprehensive.
I think I was just trying to point out, that while it's great that some don't view respective brothers/sisters as anything but that, apprehension is still there for others, like me.
Like I've said, my sisters love me and we joke and it's all cool. I realize, although I think more so now that I've asked other opinions, it may be an insecurity. It's a growing up process. But I don't believe that it's not an issue for all people either. I suppose it doesn't matter. You go where you feel comfortable, and if that issue makes you feel that uncomfortable, then you just wouldn't go there.

And also,
I made this name a long time ago, when I was a big bossa nova nut. So 'samba' is in reference to the dance.

I think... and I know I can't be very educated on this subject because I only know about large southern schools... that it also depends on the size and locale of the chapter. When I was an undergrad, there was this completely cool mixed girl in my chapter. All of us saw her as just that... cool, outgoing, and the kind of person you always wanted to be around. But, being in the south, there were the ones who certainly made snap judgements about a chapter that would *gasp* let in a person who was not completely white. And on the flipside, there were judgements about her for not *gasp* embracing her culture by joining a historically black sorority (believe it or not, it's just as much of a stigma as far as what could be wrong with this girl if she "couldn't get into" one of the historically black sororities). Chances are, someone who is not completely white in a historically white sorority is going to feel uncomfortable at times. Unfortunately, there are still many many many people who are stuck back in the traditional race roles of sororities/fraternities.

It's all about the love... :)


"...Why can't we all just get along..."

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Of course I had to put my now deserved 19.25 in.

As an African- American female (and Native American) I can see the many points that people are making and so many of them are relevant to the way that my school works.

BUT with my school also being in the South I think that there is more discrimination in the NPC so you usually dont see alot of minorities trying to join their organizations.

I also dont understand, no offense to the NPC ladies here - how your system works. I dont get how it is fair to pay a fee, pick 3 and then hope you get the one you want?

I pledge my frat (Co-Ed) b/c I researched it and found that I could honestly add to the organization and grow within it. And whatdoyaknow - my first semester as a brother and already I am holding a position. ;)

So if an NPC lady would like to explain to me the progress more in depth I would greatly appreciate it....

But my frat is awesomely diverse - men and women from all different creeds who are also members of the NPC, NPHC and IFC - so we are kind of like a big melting pot and I enjoy that!

I'm am a minority interested in spring recuitment for a historically white sorority. i havent really told many people outside my very best friends and family and they totally support my decison and tell me i need to be at a place that i feel comfortable and not somewhere where i am exepected to go.

And your friends are exactly right and I think that you are bold in making the decision to NOT do something that was historically black.

My thing is - and I have admitted this - that I did look at some of the sororities in the NPC - but I just wasnt okay with the fact that I might not get into the sorority of my choice and that I had to pick 3 and even after I rushing I may not get in...

Whereas when it comes to the frat I am in now and the NPHC sorority that I may decide to pledge - they are both organizations that I researched and decided that it was something that I wanted to do...

What would I do if I wanted to Pledge Delta Zeta or Kappa Delta (the two I was looking at...) and I picked them and Alpha Omicron Pi....and I researched all of them and figured that I would/could fit into either of them and then didnt get picked for any? Isnt that like a slap in the face?

I dunno = thats why I want someone to explain this to me....

I have researching alot about historically white sororites and i am just now starting to better understand. as you may know researching sorority info in general is a lot of reading but at my university, which is in the south, the system of picking pleges in "white" sororites isthe same as u described, pick three and maybe you'll get your first or second choice....i know many people that didnt get their top sorority and pledge the second choice and are today very happy they did. and then there are the stories of those simply picking the second or third choice for the sake of just being in a sorority. as for me i didnt go through formal recuitment at my school but i am going through spring informal recuitment and its with my top sorority so that gets rid of the worries about me having to pick and second or a third choice becuz if the dont accept me then thats fine no hard feelings i will go from there....

Good Luck to you! :)

I have read alot of these posts and I feel that it is a shame that some people would feel that they would have to hide the fact that they dont want to be apart of a historically black sorority or fraternity. I mean I feel like you just do what you feel comfortable with because being greek is hard work, harder then alot of people think, and so I feel like you better love that orgainization because you're gong to be doing alot of work in its name. For me personally though it also bothers me when they say that cpc/ifc groups are "white greeks" and nphc or other multicultural councils are for "black, asian, or latin greeks." It's just so sad that people have to label our orgainizations in such a way. I know for myself that i have been approached by several people who are not black but who are interested in membership in my sorority and the first question they asked me was "if i pledged do you think i would be accepted?" I just found that so disheartening that people would feel that they wouldn't be accepted because of their race. Ok that's it. I appologize for my long winded response.

Thanks for that information - it is much appreciated.

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Alpha Phi Omega can't even enter into a discussion of NPC OR NPHC membership policies - mainly because we do not have selective membership. Anyone who wants to pursue brotherhood can. Not everyone succeeds, but the fact is that it's pretty hard to deny someone membership for intangible reasons (unless they are obviously divisive to the chapter).

NPC rush fees are often under $20 - if they are more, they include on campus housing for the days of rush. The reason a nominal fee is charged is to prevent people from going through rush who have no intention of pledging or are there just to rip apart the Greek system. Why should the sorority women have to waste their time with people like that?

I'm sure that there are ladies interested in NPHC who have put in as much, if not MORE, in terms of time and also money (for appropriate clothes for interest meeting) pursuing the org they want as any fee charged for NPC rush activities. And they might never make it either. I just feel like you're saying "NPC rush is a ripoff" and that is not true.

I dont know why you would feel that I was saying that the NPC was a rip off when I clearly stated that I didnt understand and someone has already responded to my question with an appropriate answer.

In no way was I comparing my organization to those of the NPC, IFC or NPHC - I was just saying "this is what I did to find my org - how in this system can you do the same?"

Here the fee for NPC here is NOT $20.00 - its like $50.00.

As for NPHC - you spend the money for one specific organization (well most do) everything you do is in preparation for ONE organization and all your money goes to that ONE organization -

So basically in the end to respond to you - I was not attacking NPC - I wanted someone to explain to me how it worked b/c I didnt understand and it wasnt something I PERSONALLY could have been comfortable with - I wanted to see someone elses view on the matter and that has been done. Now I understand and I still find it disturbing - but then again thats why its not for me, but I definetely give props to those who go thru it and found the home and sisterly love that they wanted and needed.

I just wanted to put in my comment of alpha phi omega, that I feel that no matter how much 'research' you try to do, I find it hard to choose a sorority based on what you can find by what other people say, or stats on their membership and fundraising. Choosiing a house is so incredibly personal, I know for me personally, I can't see anything other than how I feel when I'm with the sisters as influencing my decision. I never quite understood how someone could choose a house before you even met them.
It's like choosing a boyfriend. He can have tons of money or hard working, but doesnt mean he's right for you till you see each other for a bit.

I suppose the question is what is research? Not just alpha phi omega, either, bc I've seen this on the rush forums before so I'm curious.

And can some one please text me and help me on how to create a signature?

I guess thats another difference then - this whole house thing. I looked at the organization as a whole - and you are completely right - every chapter at every school is different - BUT - I looked at what the organization had done over the years at my school - what the organization does sectional, regionally and nationally. That is what was important to me. Once I realized that the ideals and principles that the frat was founded upon was something that was already in my everday life - I joined the brothers for a few events and decided to pledge - I guess its pretty much the same way you do it - but we dont have a house - - -