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Steeltrap 11-22-2004 02:57 PM

Re: Re: Re: From ESPN.com
 
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Originally posted by KSigkid
I don't see Reggie sticking around after this season. I'm also not sure if Artest comes back next year...maybe the Knicks will still take him. They were after him last year/last summer.

Big Ben definitely got off easy...only six games? I don't think he hit any fans, but by the same token he was part of the whole mess that started the fight.

The possibility of Isiah Thomas taking on Ron Artest, a NY native, is interesting. But RA's going to have to control himself in that media market.

Yeah, Ben may not have smacked the fans, but he was part of the on-court melee.

SigmaNuPhi4Life 11-22-2004 03:34 PM

OK...well after reading this I have a few things to say...some people might not like what I say, but I really don't care.

Well...first of all...Artest is suspended for the rest of the season and I think he deserves it. First of all...he didn't need to go into the stands and hit the guy that threw the cup. He should have just let it go. And second of all...he went after the WRONG guy. The guy that he hit and took down was not even the guy that threw the cup. So therefore he deserves to get suspended for the whole game. And as for the rest of the players that got suspended, they deserve it too. The should not have gone up into the stands at all. Everyone knows that when something goes wrong at a game, the fans get mad. They took it way to far out of line, they did not need to go into the stands after fans. I am sure their fans get angry too.

Now Ben Wallace on the other hand...sure he pushed Artest but he doesn't deserve to get suspended for anything else. He did not hit any fans and he was not involved in the fight with the fans at all. All he did was push Artest after he fowled him...which I would have done too. Artest did not need to foul Ben the way he did with one minute left in the game and the Pacers up by 12. It was no accident either, that was intentional. So Ben just reacted like almost anyone else would. He didn't do anything to fans or other players after that. So he got what he deserves.

And to the person that is talking all the shit about Detroit...you should probably quit. You don't live here and from the way you are talking, you have never been here. So until you are here or know what Detroit is really like, I suggest you stop running your mouth. Like Sunny said...Detroit fans are not just from Detroit smart ass! That took a damn rocket scientist to figure out. And even if they were, Detroit is not a bad place. Of course you only see some things from here, you only see what is on the news, and that is like not even 1% of what really goes on in Detroit. There are plenty of events and other things that go on without any drama. And besides, the whole thing at the Palace would not have got out of hand if ARTEST would not have gone up into the stands to beat on the fans. So you see...you can not put this all on Detroit...because a lot of it was because of the Pacers. So don't call us hoodlems unless you know what you are talking about. Which you don't!

That is all I have to say for now...I am sure I will think of more later and I will post it. Until then...buh-bye

hottytoddy 11-22-2004 03:35 PM

you know, I agree that they players should be suspended. However, I hope those fans got the shit kicked out of them. Playing basketball is their job, their career...how would you like it if someone were throwing beer on you wile you were working. I know it's not really the some thing...but I mean it is.


Also...I know everyone is talking about the players getting sued. BUT, the fans are the ones that started it. The players were being harrassed. The fans may not have thrown the first punch but I mean they were the cause. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know how this works. Any chance these fans are responsible for their actions as well. I mean...I don't think they should be rewarded for this.

KSigkid 11-22-2004 03:39 PM

Big Ben also egged on Artest...he couldn't walk away free and easy after his role in everything.

Artest dealing with the NY media would be entertaining, to say the least. It would give him a good outlet for his music career though, and well, isn't that what counts most?

Steeltrap 11-22-2004 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
Big Ben also egged on Artest...he couldn't walk away free and easy after his role in everything.

Artest dealing with the NY media would be entertaining, to say the least. It would give him a good outlet for his music career though, and well, isn't that what counts most?

Bwahahaha about the music career. :p

PM_Mama00 11-22-2004 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by hottytoddy
you know, I agree that they players should be suspended. However, I hope those fans got the shit kicked out of them. Playing basketball is their job, their career...how would you like it if someone were throwing beer on you wile you were working. I know it's not really the some thing...but I mean it is.


Also...I know everyone is talking about the players getting sued. BUT, the fans are the ones that started it. The players were being harrassed. The fans may not have thrown the first punch but I mean they were the cause. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know how this works. Any chance these fans are responsible for their actions as well. I mean...I don't think they should be rewarded for this.

The fan that got wrongly beat on definitely deserves to sue. People who did shit like throw punches also, don't deserve to.

Players are harassed in EVERY sport. It's part of the sport. It happens in high school sports, college sports, and probably more in professional. A few people I know went to a Michigan/Purdue game at Purdue and got harrassed. Does that make them hoodlums or thugs? (I know you didn't say that)

PLEASE. Stop saying that Detroit fans are thugs or hoodlums. Like I've said so many times, there were way more fans in the Palace NOT fighting than fans who WERE fighting. Don't judge a whole city just because of a few stupid mother truckers.

hottytoddy 11-22-2004 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by mrblonde

Oh, and I thought it was fucking hilarious when Jermaine O'Neal clocked that tubby bastard on the court.


OMG! It was hilarious! That guy's stupid ass deserved to get knocked out. Who did he think he was. And if O'Neal hadn't slipped they'd still be pickin up peices of his face.

hottytoddy 11-22-2004 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00


PLEASE. Stop saying that Detroit fans are thugs or hoodlums. Like I've said so many times, there were way more fans in the Palace NOT fighting than fans who WERE fighting. Don't judge a whole city just because of a few stupid mother truckers.

Man, get off of it. I never said Detroit fans are hoodlums.

Also.. yes players get harrassed in every sport...but for you to basically say that players getting things thrown at them is PART OF THE SPORT? That is a ridiculous statement.

KSig RC 11-22-2004 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by SigPhiSunshine
You know, you're really starting to piss me off too here. Not all Detroit fans are from Detroit moron. There are many fans from ALL over Michigan, from Detroit to Lansing, to Travsrse City. They come from everywhere to see sports events. Stop making Detroit look like the bad guy here.

I've made it perfectly clear that I'm referring only to Detroit sports fans, not the city as a whole, and that there are a minority that give me that impression/opinion.

I'm not pissing on the city of Detroit here, but the fans deserve as much fault as the players. Some fans got unlucky and were caught in a melee, but I'm sure they'll be compensated (whether fairly or not is up for discussion), but others deserved any ass kicking that was doled out.

AGDee 11-22-2004 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by hottytoddy
OMG! It was hilarious! That guy's stupid ass deserved to get knocked out. Who did he think he was. And if O'Neal hadn't slipped they'd still be pickin up peices of his face.
Are you talking about the ballboy?

hottytoddy 11-22-2004 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by AGDee
Are you talking about the ballboy?
I don't know whoever that guy was that waltzed onto the court when he wasn't supposed to be there.

PM_Mama00 11-22-2004 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by KSig RC
I've made it perfectly clear that I'm referring only to Detroit sports fans, not the city as a whole, and that there are a minority that give me that impression/opinion.

I'm not pissing on the city of Detroit here, but the fans deserve as much fault as the players. Some fans got unlucky and were caught in a melee, but I'm sure they'll be compensated (whether fairly or not is up for discussion), but others deserved any ass kicking that was doled out.

I do agree with the last part.


FYI (not directed at you): The guy who threw the cup was not from Detroit, but a big baller from West Bloomfield. I highly doubt I'd call someone from West Bloomfield ghetto, thuggish, or a hoodlum.

Hottytoddy: Way to respect a sister. My comment before wasn't directed at you, hence the reason why I started a new paragraph. And I never said that throwing shit at a player was ok. Neither is taunting but it happens in every sport.

Fans should stick to marshmellows, like us Michigan fans. They are harmless, and if caught make an excellent treat during the game, and are easy to smuggle in.


I'm joking.

hottytoddy 11-22-2004 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00
I do agree with the last part.



Hottytoddy: Way to respect a sister. My comment before wasn't directed at you.



OK well my post was quoted. I wasn't trying to disrespect you. So please specify who you are talking to.

The NBA needs to come up with something that will help keep the players more seperated from the fans.. I know players are taunted a lot. When my boyfriend and I went to a Cubs game he & his friend were yelling things at a Florida player...but they were all joke comments like "Get a haircut- you have the money. It's ok though I'll still keep you on my fantasy team" But they weren't throwing things. Ad the guy they were yelling things at was laughing. I'm just saying if I had been Artest and someone had thrown something at me I may have had a hard time just sitting there and pretending it didn't happen...and I'm not even an angry person. I don't think that these fans should be able to sue the players involved. They were begging for it. They were taunting him to get a reaction. And they got one.

starang21 11-22-2004 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by PM_Mama00
PLEASE. Stop saying that Detroit fans are thugs or hoodlums. Like I've said so many times, there were way more fans in the Palace NOT fighting than fans who WERE fighting. Don't judge a whole city just because of a few stupid mother truckers.
a punch can only go so far from the cheap seats.

SigmaNuPhi4Life 11-23-2004 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by hottytoddy
you know, I agree that they players should be suspended. However, I hope those fans got the shit kicked out of them. Playing basketball is their job, their career...how would you like it if someone were throwing beer on you wile you were working. I know it's not really the some thing...but I mean it is.


Also...I know everyone is talking about the players getting sued. BUT, the fans are the ones that started it. The players were being harrassed. The fans may not have thrown the first punch but I mean they were the cause. I am not a lawyer, so I don't know how this works. Any chance these fans are responsible for their actions as well. I mean...I don't think they should be rewarded for this.

The fans are getting sued. The ones that punched the players are in trouble too. It is not just the players getting sued, its the fans too


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