Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1948126)

No, most of the time I've seen the kid wants a toy or a treat, often from the check out line. S/he's not trying to get out of shopping, but trying to get mommy or daddy to give in on the candy. Hence removal from the store is effective.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1948131)

I remember when grocery stores began having candy/chips/toys-free check out lines so kids won't ask for stuff. I guess not every parent was able to get their kid to adhere to the "don't ask for anything" rule. :)

Originally Posted by SusySorostitute (Post 1948132)

If they're in the check out line lets hope they will be leaving soon anyways!

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1948139)

No parent nor kid is perfect.

Originally Posted by IlovemyAKA (Post 1948071)

I was spanked. I wasn't a troublesome kid at school because of it. All kids try to push their limits, and that's where my spankings came into play. I don't harbor any resentment because of spankings, and I will spank my kids.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1948079)

:) Alumiyum, I stand behind my comments. Parents need to figure out whatever they need to figure out for their children and whatever works for their kids. Parenting is difficult but it isn't impossible. It is your cousin's job to figure out her child. If that means they won't go out in public because nothing works for the annoying child then that's completely on them and, depending on who you ask (including some child experts), that reflects more on the parents than the child. If the child has special needs then the needs must be learned to the best of their ability. If the child is The Omen then...I dunno. :p

This isn't a "how to" thread for parenting. :) Everything that I have said can be applied however parents see fit. If parents want to stay at home, get take-out, or leave everytime their child acts up (often because they didn't fix the problem the first two times their child acted up in public...not every badass child has "special needs") then that's fine for them. I hope the parents don't end up miserable or their child never feels that he or she is in charge of their household. If that happens, they shouldn't really wonder why.

Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1948139)

No parent nor kid is perfect.



I've seen people, regretfully, walk out while they're in the line, and say that they'll be back to pay for it. And I've seen parents stick it out, not giving in to the 'i want candy" or whatever. I usually figure the parents who stick it out can't afford the time/transportation to come back later or alone or just figure their kid can deal with it and they'll be out of everyone else's hair soon anyway.

Originally Posted by SusySorostitute (Post 1948153)

Wow, I have never see that and I'm surprised stores will adhere to the honor system like that. I wouldn't blame any parent who sticks to the latter. I do not like parents who let their children act up in public, but at the same time, some people are just so intolerant of kids in public, I wonder if they realize that they were kids once too (and that is not directed at you DroleFille).

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1948152)

:eek::eek::eek: Forrealdoe?!

All of my posts said this. ;)

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1948164)

Yeah, I have disdain for parents whose kids have a habit of acting out in public and who have a habit of having to leave public places. They need to fix that. I'm only talking about patterns of behavior. You said your cousin's child is annoying. That sounds like a pattern of behavior and not just a normal child who challenges boundaries sometimes.

Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1948155)

I don't blame people for being intolerant of kids screaming, kicking, acting up, throwing things, and misbehaving in public.

Sure, I was a kid once, too, but I knew if I behaved that way I would be spanked. I shouldn't HAVE to put up with other people's asshole kids when I'm out.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum (Post 1948179)

Well, as I clarified, the "child experts" can't "fix" her either. She's a kid, not a toy, computer game, or hairdo. Parenting isn't a game with scorecards

Originally Posted by Alumiyum (Post 1948179)

and looking down upon others doesn't mean one is right. It means one has a personal opinion.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum (Post 1948179)

My personal opinion is that parents who are loving, consistent, and willing to be creative in their methods of teaching/disciplining their children are good parents.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1948191)

I know what parenting is.



Well, you're the one who called your cousin's child annoying. ;)



I essentially said this in my very first post.

I don't think we disagree. I think we have two different angles for the same point. If you think your cousin is an excellent parent whose child is just...whatever no matter what...then okay.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum (Post 1948193)

I'll say this. I do not believe children are things to be "fixed". I think they have individual personalities and thoughts and sometimes even patience and consistency don't work.

And for every expert with opinion A there are three more with opinion B, and all four have credibility. (But, that's the case in any field of course).