Just a quick hijack back to the topic of Princeton's attitude toward Greeks --

The Tuesday, September 21 issue of the student paper contains an editorial advocating deferred Greek recruitment. Although the editorial has some positive things to say about Greek life, it supports the position of Princeton's president that fall recruitment is not a good idea.

See

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/arc...on/10779.shtml

End of hijack. :)

WTF, mates?! Aren't most private schools (with the exception of NYU, which has 40,000 students) smaller than public schools?

Most of GC doesn't give a rat's ass what Earp thinks--do you really think one of the nation's--if not the world's--most prestigious institutions of higher learning cares?

Then you should have said that instead of saying "I wouldn't be surprised if Theta looked the other way." That implies Theta was doing something shady and didn't care what their grades were like as long as they had a chapter at Princeton. Sorry I misinterpreted.

Re the Ivy alum being active in Cream's sorority, I think you must also consider that D Phi E has a large concentration of alums from the northeast. :)

Oh, and as far as public vs. private, Tom doesn't mean Penn State vs. Princeton, he means North Adams vs Princeton - i.e. he is talking about former teachers' colleges. U Penn is private and it's certainly bigger than Clarion, Slippery Rock etc. Does that answers your WTF mates?

Why should Greeks defer their recruitment? Will other student organizations, clubs, eating clubs defer as well?

It seems to me that it's only sororities that would so easily accept deferred rush.

-Rudey

Eating club recruitment is (very) deferred to sophomore spring, which is another reason the administration doesn't fight it so hard. It also offers guaranteed placement.

No, other clubs would never be asked to defer, but the fact is that the administration views purely social clubs differently. They view political, athletic, artistic, and affinity clubs as benefiting the university as a whole, while (non-NPHC) GLOs only benefit their members. Further, they think that it's a very different thing for a freshman to come in and immediately be categorized by a selective arts group as a quality or substandard dancer than to be categorized by a GLO as a quality or substandard friend.

Not saying whether they're right or wrong, but that's their view.

Usually state schools are larger than private schools...I went to a large private school, but I think that is more the exception than the rule.

I think every school has to be egotistical to a point - how can you get students to apply/attend if you're not the "best" at something?

Do you mean the clubs that don't still do the "bicker" thing?

I understand that's their view and I think that this is something that GLOs don't have to accept. I don't mean that legally. I mean that I'm sure that if they pushed and pushed, after a while it would become accepted.

As for social clubs, eating clubs, tomb societies, etc., not all guarantee you a spot do they? And I don't know how Harvard or Princeton work really, but from what I've heard of tomb societies there really isn't a rush period; you are judged actually for that first year or however long, aren't guaranteed a spot anywhere, and there is no rush.

-Rudey

Five clubs still bicker, but you're guaranteed a place in an eating club if you want one, and if you prefer a sign-in club, you're very likely to get your first choice (and it's random chance if you don't). As we were discussing on another thread, GLO recruitment is by necessity mutually selective and with very rare exceptions they don't have to take you.

You may be thinking of secret societies at Yale, which meet in "tombs." They are for seniors only, and they pick ("tap")whomever they want among the juniors to form a very small class for the following year. These clubs are co-ed and thus don't violate any anti-discrimination policies. The real rush process at Yale is a cappella rush. Harvard, in contrast, has final clubs, which are basically local fraternities/men's drinking clubs. Rush, or "punch," is by invitation only. The university has a bitterly antagonistic relationship with these clubs; it views them as a much greater and more immediate problem than the GLOs, and it would do almost anything to get rid of them if it could. You aren't guaranteed a spot in either system, but the university certainly doesn't grant them any favor vs. GLOs.
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What chapters are there at Santa Clara?

Santa Clara has Delta Gamma, Alpha Phi, and Kappa Alpha Theta.

Here's a letter to the editor that was published in today's Daily Princetonian...

That's a good one! :)