Stop being a jerk.

-Joel

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/vnews/...3?in_archive=1

Did you learn to insult people in some dirty chatroom where you talk about how you hit on boyscouts (you said this in Chit Chat) and drool over young characters on television shows (you said this in the Entertainment forum)?

-Rudey
--This, written by one biased guy, only says he didn't get in and nothing else so stop with the lies and conspiracy theories.

then why didn't i have to sign anything lil miss grammar? i did volunteer work for the rally and didn't have to sign any loyalty pledge. so i do know what i'm talking about.

shelley j
sigma k

eta: i do know what loyalty pledge you are talking about. they volunteers working the crowd to get people to sign it, but it wasn't required in order to attend the rally or volunteer.

Because if you were VOLUNTEERING they knew you were loyal.

And yes, I suppose I am 'little' since I'm getting my degree from a littler MU than yours.

Some interesting links
 

http://www.casperstartribune.net/art...e10054e715.txt

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul31.html

http://www.independent-media.tv/item...der%20Reported

http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/20/int12.htm

Would anyone like to see the email my university sent out about the twins visiting? I'd be happy to post about how that was invite only too.

Re: Some interesting links
 

:raises hand enthusiastically:

Me! Me! Me! I would. :D

"1. Jenna and Barbara Bush, Cate Edwards at Marquette this week

Jenna and Barbara Bush, daughters of President Bush, will be on campus at 4:15 p.m. Wednesday for an event at the AMU sponsored by the College Republicans and Students for Bush. They will greet Marquette students who will be calling voters in the Milwaukee area on behalf of the Bush-Cheney campaign. Attendance at the event is by invitation only.

On Friday afternoon, the College Democrats and Students for Kerry will host a visit from Cate Edwards, daughter of Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards. The campus community is invited to AMU, Ballroom E, at 4 p.m. to hear from Cate Edwards. A question-and-answer session and reception will follow."

If you need to see the header information I would be happy to post that as well, in case anyone is doubting the validity.

did you not read my edit? i cut and paste it here for you to read.

eta: i do know what loyalty pledge you are talking about. they volunteers working the crowd to get people to sign it, but it wasn't required in order to attend the rally or volunteer.

as for the whole invite thing, i don't know a much about that. all i do know is that people around here just had to go to the republican party to get tickets. also, when i went to be briefed on volunteering, they were handing out tickets like they were candy. there was a difference in the tickets. some were VIP type and the others were just general admission.

shelley j
sigma k

ps - and i wasn't downing your school. heck, i don't even know where you go to school. i don't even care!

Kath -

Why does the "loyalty pledge" have you up in a huff? I don't really see the big deal - it's not like he's asking you for the two grand, or forcing you to sacrifice a virgin at the altar. It doesn't seem to be quashing free speech, as protests still occur; they just don't occur within the actual rally. That seems pretty OK with me - it's not like Democrats don't take steps with the same goal in mind. Please, help me understand this, b/c right now I'm having a heaping dose of "who gives a shit? this is inconsequential."

-Rob
--not even posting the signature!

Rob,

I don't think the loyalty pledge would bother me so much if protests could occur close enough to the rally for Bush to see them. Every time he's been in Wisconsin the protest zone was blocks away. When Kerry has been here the protest zone has been wherever the Bushies want to go. I just don't feeling like it's playing fair, something that I know hasn't happened in politics in years. I just hate the fact that if Bush was in Milwaukee today I'd be protesting six blocks away surrounded by security guards, and if Kerry was in Iowa right now, you could be protesting so close to him he could see you.

I'll be happy to say the Pledge of Allegiance, but am not interested in a loyalty oath to either or any candidate.

That worries me.

If you're not interested in the pledge, then don't volunteer :D

You weren't considering doing so, were you?

Nope. Not for either side.

The difference is that Bush is the sitting American President during wartime. There are certain things that are going to happen security-wise because of this. Bush has also chosen to do this because when someone protests at one of his speeches, they seem to make more news than his actual speech does. It's ridiculous. Personally, I'd like to see the news networks take the same stance with these folks as the NFL has taken with people running on the field -- don't show them and don't acknowledge them. I have a good feeling that it'd stop after that.

Just like at the DNC, where the "free-speech zone" was conveniently tucked in a construction site parking lot a mile from Fleet, right under a bridge in the middle of the Big Dig. Neither side plays fair, and that doesn't concern me in the slightest. Make your speech unencumbered, but let the others exercise their right to say their piece. They don't have the right to say it literally wherever they want, though, remember.

Kevin makes a good, albeit misguided, point about security - I do agree Bush is probably going using that as a bit of an excuse, but the reality for me is that I don't think being within sight of the person you're protesting is of any importance whatsoever during a political rally. The right to protest should be defended passionately, but I think you're getting a little red in the lens over something that really isn't that big of a deal, to my mind.