I have to agree with adpiucf, inviting your advisors to formals is a very simple way to say thank you. Plus not to get technical but in the Risk Managment manual it specifically states "Advisors should not be expected to pay any fees for attending the event."

Adelphean- how does your chapter do VLS and Convention? Do you expect your advisors to pay their way for those as well?

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction w/ the RM manual.

I think maybe we'll try going to the Christmas semi-formal first. Then they can't use the "its the seniors' last formal." (yep, heard that one)

The Garden State Alumnae celebrated Founders' Day on Sunday - our first one!! We had nine alums attend, four of whom then received Jewel Degree.

Now I'm cleaning out my Jewel Box and restocking it for next Spring...

No problem! Good luck with your ladies, as always I'm here if you need to vent.

Not to continue off topic, but I just recently read the RM manual and was suprised to see that it does not mention anywhere that an advisor must be present. I was under the impression (as we talked about before) that for RM an advisor must be present. Does anyone know?

I don't know, but that was written into our chapter bylaws. You can email the communications coordinator at EO; if it is not an explicit rule, then it sounds like grounds for an amendment proposal at the next Convention.

I actually LOL at the thought of proposing that to my girls for their bylaw revisions!! :D

I probably shoulda selected :rolleyes: 'cause there will be a WHOLE lotta :rolleyes: if we bring that up!!!

We send one sometimes, two advisors to both of these events. But I think you all are missing my point. No, advisors' should not have to pay to go to formal, but their dates should. And I'm not sure what type formals you all had at your schools, but at mine, 9 times out of 10 we had to pay for ourselves AND our dates simply b/c the budget was not large enough to support two fully-funded formals (plus date parties and mixers). So, while I agree that advisors should be able to attend completely for free I do not agree that their dates should go free. I see absolutely NO reason why dates should attend for free.
And in my complete honest opinion, I don't see any reason for an advisor to bring a date. THEIR formals are over, as are mine. As an Alumnae president I would never dream of bringing a date to a formal I was invited to and not paying for him. The dues' paying members of a chapter work hard for their money. Why expect them to shell out extra for dates when their advisors won't or don't have to.


-Lindsay


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>HBADPi
>I have to agree with adpiucf, inviting your advisors to formals is >a very simple way to say thank you. Plus not to get technical >but in the Risk Managment manual it specifically states "Advisors >should not be expected to pay any fees for attending the >event."

>Adelphean- how does your chapter do VLS and Convention? Do >you expect your advisors to pay their way for those as well?

Adelphean, what years were you in school? If the chapter is making members pay for their own formal, then it is not a chapter sanctioned event-- it should have been in your budget.

HB-- correct me if I'm wrong b/c I've been out of the loop for 2 years on the manuals, but the social budget may be max 25% of total chapter budget, and chapters are limited to a set number of social functions, which must be approved via social form, have security present, etc. Isn't there some measure that official social functions must be paid out of the chapter budget?

Adelphean-- not picking on your chapter; just want to understand if I've misinterpreted a past policy. I've yet to see a chapter that operates at 100% compliance; it's not a matter of following the rules; it is getting caught that gets them up to speed!

Because I was accused of acting like a "know-it-all" recently, I want to make sure its understood that I am only stating what I know to the best of my abilities when it comes to policy. To be honest, I checked the manuals I have and I couldnt come up with anything that said there was a set limit on events. But adpiucf you are right that social budget can not be more than 25% and an ADPi sponsored event is one that is paid for solely by ADPi. Exec board approval and social forms are a must, we always hire security guards but I'm not 100% sure if that is mandated. (As a side note we had the BEST security officer at the last formal and I'm hoping we can hire him for the rest of our events from here on out).

Thanks HB! I wouldn't say you're a know-it-all-- you're in a position that gives you better access to most current information! I'd think that I'd ask an adviser or director to confirm something for me before I'd go quizzing members about policies! LOL. If I did everything that way, I'd probably get 100 different answers!

I pledged in 02. I'm currently an alumna and am president of the alumnae association. I've had to pay for myself at formal before, and I'm not quite sure what or how they do it now, but Beta Beta has always had a funny way of doing things. And we always had security guards at formals, but it's a waste of chapter money. They are there to X your hand and turn their back if they see anything going on. WASTE OF MONEY.

We've never had an adviser at formal.

This year, we were told by the LC that we should be charging everyone to attend formal. We of course were all sorts of confused about it, but excited to save some money. Then later, we got reamed by the PD because charging members to attend formal isn't allowed. So it sounds like there is some confusion all around!

The Social Budget must be less than 25% and net income must be more than 5% ( those are what my girls know as the "magical numbers" we must hit, financially speaking). The cost of sending a MEMBER to formal and parties (including dinner, DJ, transportation & security but NOT including booze or favors) must be covered in a chapter's dues, however the cost for a member's date and the cost for any favors must be paid in addition to dues, via Pass Thru procedures - as these are optional items.

Thanks F&F!!

HBADPi-- have to say i totally agree. I know we had some concerns when I was a Delta sister about ADPi sponsored events vs non sponsored events. everything you said is right on.